Best Z-coil

Full disclosure I am a moderator on the platform help group page. I joined the group in order to help beginners in their vaping journey. And the innokin platform products are primarily aimed at beginners. I do not work for innokin nor do I get paid for this.

A frequent question in the group is which is the best coil, and some get frustrated when they don’t get an exact answer “this one”. In this post I will try to explain why there isn’t an exact answer.  Before I give my opinion on each coil I have to qualify with my vaping journey and how I got to my style of vaping, then I will give my opinion on each coil and who they may appeal to. This is just my opinion, someone like Phil who has a different vape style will have a different opinion.

Long before I started vaping I tried smoking a pipe to skirt the ever increasing abusive taxes including the hidden abusive MSA tax. Two things in smoking a pipe was a major annoyance to me. One was the constant primer puffs to keep it lit. The second was the fact that you had to carry multiple pipes as condensation would build up and you would get a mouthful of built up condensate,  not a pleasant experience.

There is no direct one to one experience between vaping and smoking. There are trade offs. When you smoke cigarettes other then when you light them there are no primer puffs. It’s puff inhale, puff inhale.  In the early days of vaping most box mods had between a 0.3 to 0.5 second delay. So your choices were puff, puff, puff inhale or learn how to direct lung. I found the first annoying and unacceptable. Even though the delay is all but gone you still have to take a primer puff or two to get a warm and saturated vape with a good throat hit. In the group I’ve frequently called myself a tweener. I still like it tight. I like it between a loose MTL and a medium RDL depending on the flavor. Yes flavor also makes a difference on coil choice. It’s a balancing act between power and airflow to get the best flavor. Power because different flavors come through at different temperatures.  That is why you may get one flavor on the inhale and another on the exhale. If your vaping style is similar to mine you should find this helpful.  On to the coils that I have used or tested.

1.6 ohm round wire. Best suited for a proper (tight) Mouth to Lung. When the airflow is tight after one or two primer puffs you get a great warm puff with great throat hit and flavor. With a loose MTL (mouth to lung) or RDL (restricted direct lung) I find it lacking in temperature and throat hit. If you were a light cigarette smoker it may appeal to you in this mode.

1.2 ohm. Never tested but expect it would be similar to the 1.6.

0.48 and 0.5 ohm plex. These are kind of a cross between a notch coil and a mesh coil, they have a faster ramp up then round wire and more vapor production. This coil gives you a very warm “proper” MTL and a fairly warm loose MTL- tight RDL and would suit people who like loose MTL users. I like this one with lighter flavors like fruit flavors. Because of the fast ramp up I don’t like them where the predominant flavors are dark, like coffees.

0.8 ohm my personal favorite with dark flavors in loose MTL/ tight RDL at lower wattage it has a long enough ramp up for the dark notes to come through. At the higher watt range it’s good for the other flavors.

1.0 ohm this coil produces a warm loose MTL through medium RDL and works well with darker flavors.

0.3 ohm plex. Like the earlier plex it has a super fast ramp up, didn’t like it when all of the flavor notes were dark like coffee with caramel, but one of my none all day vapes is a caramel apple by five pawns. The caramel was slightly muted for a break in of about a quarter of a tank, but the juice never tasted better. The apple was crisp and sharp with enough caramel to complement it. Also it lasted about three days longer then the 1.0 ohm. This coil is strictly a RDL coil in my opinion. It is way too warm for even a loose MTL.

This is my opinion on all the z-coils and why no one can tell you (x) is the best coil.

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Vaping Youth and Covid-19 and Science by Press Release

Nicotine prohibitionist have been engaging in science by press release for decades and now they have kicked it up a notch with headlines like “Lawmakers urge the FDA to temporarily clear e-cigarettes from market amid Covid pandemic. Here’s why

With bold statements like:

Being diagnosed with Covid-19 was five times more likely among young people who have used e-cigarettes ever, according to a new study that is referenced in Krishnamoorthi’s letter.

But what did they actually study, absolutely nothing! This so called study was based on an anonymous online survey that asked about vaping and about symptoms that may or may not be covid related. Have any of you actually looked at the symptoms? From the CDC here they are.

Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure to the virus. People with these symptoms may have COVID-19:

Fever or chills


Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing

FatigueMuscle or body aches


loss of taste or smell

Sore throat

Congestion or runny nose

Nausea or vomiting Diarrhea

Pretty vague symptoms I would say, could be anything. Was anyone actually tested? NOPE! From the article.

The study comes with some limitations, including that it was based on self-reports from anonymous online survey responses — which can be vulnerable to biases if respondents don’t give honest answers.”

They go on to say:

The researchers, from the University of California, San Francisco, looked at more than 8,000 participants ages 18 to 25 who had participated in the National Health Interview Survey to see what their medical vulnerability to severe Covid-19 was in relation to risk indicators that had been set out by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, including health conditions and smoking habits.The researchers found 32% of the total study population were medically vulnerable for severe Covid-19. However, when the group of participants who smoked cigarettes or e-cigarettes were taken out of the analysis, the medically vulnerable percentage decreased by half, to 16%. . . .

Wait, what? UCSF? Stanton Glantz was the head of that department for 20 years and never saw statistics he couldn’t cook.

His neo-prohibitionist nicotine stance is well known and I have written about his numerous lies on several occasions including here. He recently had one of his studies retracted because under careful scrutiny it implied that ecigarettes caused heart attacks before the patient ever used them.

Stanton’s arrogance is also well known. He has long used taxpayer money to push his personal agenda. For him it started in 1998 when he and his cronies were hired under the Radon Research Act by the EPA to study the effects of Radon on indoor air quality. He and his cronies turned it into an anti smoking crusade. The report was thrown out as total garbage by a federal judge. That was later overturned by a higher court on a procedural matter. The higher court ruled that it was only a report not a final action by the agency and therefore not review able by the courts. Let that sink in. You can out and out lie on a government report and the groups lied about have no recourse. But it doesn’t stop there. In 2012 he used taxpayer money to actively attack the TEA party. When questioned about this he arrogantly boasted

As for the taxpayer funding, he acknowledged that NIH and NCI might not have known the subject matter. 

But he asked: “Which is worse? That you simply give taxpayer dollars to people and say, ‘hey study whatever you want … or (say) ‘Oh so you’re going to go after people who oppose the president’s agenda?’ … ‘That’s good.’”

But his arrogance doesn’t end there. From the court documents at his sexual harassment hearings.

NEELEY learned that GLANTZ believes he can do anything because he has
tenure. She learned that he told multiple students that having tenure means “you can rape the Vice Chancellor’s daughter and still have a job.”

Why do I bring up Stanton? Because he chimed in on his buddies so called “Study”.

“There have been several reports, mostly in non-peer reviewed preprints, reporting lower levels of COVID-19 infections among smokers than nonsmokers. This is a surprising finding because, based on what we know about the effects of smoking and vaping on immune function of the respiratory system, one would expect that smoking and vaping would increase risks of COVID infection.

A big problem with all the studies to date has been that they have been based on people who were tested, rather than samples drawn from the population as a whole.  Because of limited availability of tests in many places, the resulting samples are biased toward people who may already have symptoms.”

Wait what? We are suppose to ignore Hard data as opposed to an online survey. Really? We are suppose to ignore actual Covid patients in favor of an online survey that didn’t document any covid diagnosis in favor of an anonymous survey that asked about symptoms.

He is correct though There are studies that are not surveys that show that smokers and perhaps vapors have a reduced chance of contracting from one of those non surveys.

The apparent substantial under-representation of smokers among COVID-19 inpatients consistently across thirteen countries is remarkable,” says the team. “This is surprising as smoking is generally associated with greatly exacerbating respiratory infections.

Suggested mechanisms that may confer a protective effect of smoking include altered host cell expression of angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2, the receptor the virus uses to infects cells); the anti-inflammatory activity of nicotine; the antiviral effect of nitric oxide; the effects of smoking on the immune system and vapor heat-related stimulation of immunity in the respiratory tract.

And Stanton goes on to tell his normal lies.

These results specifically challenge FDA’s assumption that e-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes. They also highlight the fact that there are immediate serious adverse effects of e-cigarettes that cost a lot of money (both in terms of direct health costs and general social disruption to the economy), something that the FDA needs to consider in its regulatory impact analysis (cost-benefit analysis) of approving e-cigarettes.

Really can he prove any? we know that he and his cronies did another science by press release earlier this year when they tried to blame teens vaping black market illegal THC products. The CDC and nicotine prohibitionist were plastering it all over the news that vaping (nicotine) was killing teens and causing lung injuries. EVALI. More science by press release.

From Dr Michael Siegel.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is concealing and suppressing information on the number one cause of severe, vaping-related health harm to youths in order to deceive the public into thinking that e-cigarettes are at the top of the list.

In fact, the number one cause of severe, vaping-related health damage to youths is not electronic cigarettes, although you would not know that from reading the CDC’s literature on youth vaping. . . .

The Rest of the Story

The chief cause of substantial health harms to youth from vaping is actually not e-cigarettes. It is marijuana or THC vaping. . . . For some reason, the CDC has been concealing this critical information from the public. For three years in a row (2016-2018), the CDC’s National Youth Tobacco Survey (NTYS) showed that the overwhelming majority of youths who were heavy e-cigarette vapers (use on 20 or more days per month) were also vaping marijuana. However, in all three years, the CDC failed to report these data.

Why is this? Want to hear the big shocker? The THC question was removed from the Youth Tobacco survey. Again why. Again from Dr Siegil.

Percentage of HEAVY youth e-cigarette users reporting ever use of THC vapes:
2016: 62%
2017: 73%
2018: 71%

What percentage of youth e-cigarette users reported having also vaped THC in 2019?

The answer is …

… we have no idea.

Why? Because the CDC did not even ask the question about marijuana/THC vaping in the 2019 National Youth Tobacco Survey!

Why would the CDC intentionally take this question off the survey, when it had included the question in the 2016, 2017, and 2018 surveys?

Then Stanton Glantz spouts more of his propaganda.

Because flavors are an important reason kids use e-cigarettes, these findings also support the need for bans on all flavors – including menthol – in e-cigarettes as part of comprehensive flavor ban legislation that is being considered all over the country and world.

This Lie was debunked by the CDC’s own youth survey.

The anti-vaping moral panic in the US is premised on flavours attracting kids to e-cigarettes and so causing a ‘teen vaping epidemic’. But teens cite ‘curiosity’ as the main reason to vape, with ‘flavors’ a distant third.

And who peaked that curiosity? There is a study for that.

In my new study out today,Perverse Psychology, I investigate why teen vaping suddenly began skyrocketing in 2018, after years of dramatic declines, massive anti-vaping messaging campaigns by governments and health groups, and increased regulatory scrutiny and pressure. The conclusion my paper comes to is not that youth vaping increased in spite of anti-vaping efforts; it increased because of those efforts

If we are going to do a survey, let’s do one on ex smokers and find if they have improved lung function due to switching to vaping. Wait there are actual studies.

ECs are quickly becoming the most promising THR products to date.49 This is due to their effectiveness in decreasing conventional tobacco consumption, competitive price, and the discernment of being a much less detrimental smoking substitute, and also they permit the smoker to maintain a “smoking experience without smoking.5052 Currently, they are the only products in the arsenal that replicate the habits of conventional cigarette smoking along with nicotine delivery As such, they may encourage harm reduction in three ways: allowing smokers to quit, helping former smokers avoid relapse, and preventing nonsmokers from initiating smoking. Population studies5355 have shown that regular EC use is predominantly noted in former and current smokers (and very rare among never smokers), supporting the argument that these products are currently used for harm reduction. . . . A recent RCT of “healthy” smokers, for up to 1 year, invited to quit or reduce cigarette consumption by switching to ECs assessed changes in lung function, airway responses, and respiratory symptoms,82,83 has shown normalization of both exhaled nitric oxide and carbon monoxide levels among those subjects who completely quit cigarette smoking by switching to ECs.82 Reversal to within normal nonsmoking levels was already documented at 3 months and complete normalization observed at 6 and 12 months.82 No evidence of airway obstruction was noted, irrespective of participants’ smoking phenotype classification. . . .

The absence of significant increments in spirometric indices after quitting smoking is not uncommon in COPD smokers and irreversible airway obstruction.86,87 Nonetheless, progressive significant decline in annual respiratory exacerbations, improved general health status (assessed using the COPD assessment tool [CAT]) and physical activity (assessed using the 6-minute walk distance test) were documented throughout the 2-year reporting period.85 That respiratory exacerbations were halved in patients with COPD who ceased or markedly reduced their tobacco consumption after switching to ECs was a key finding. Persistent exposure of cigarette smoke to the airways is known to promote infection susceptibility through several different mechanisms.88,89 Thus, switching to ECs by abstaining from tobacco smoking may explain the attenuation in respiratory infections.90 The reported improvement in health outcomes is in agreement with observations from an Internet-based survey of 1,190 regular COPD EC users.51 Self-reported improvement in respiratory symptoms after switching was reported in 75.7% of the respondents, whereas worsening was reported in only 0.8%. Of note, it was reported that a fifth of all the participants stopped the use of their routine respiratory medications with the use of ECs.

The positive evidence from real-life surveys and clinical studies of patients with COPD supporting respiratory health benefits with EC

But, but let’s do a survey of how flavors help smokers quit oh wait that’s already been done.

The smoking history of participants is presented inTable 3. Almost 95% of participants reported that they were ever smokers. The majority had quit smoking, while 61% of current smokers were occasional smokers (smoking on some days).Only 5.2% of the study sample reported being never smokers. The smoking status of the participants is presented in Figure 1. Former smokers who were using e-cigarettes at the time of smoking cessation are presented as a separate bar inFigure 1. Almost 92% of former smokers reported that they were using e-cigarettes at the time of quitting

But any time a harm reduction advocate tries to present a survey it is dismissed as anecdotal, So why is it Mz Howard that you enable them to present anecdotal evidence as a legitimate scientific study. Do your homework and present hard science with factual results.

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The latest in the Tobacco Control disinformation campaign.

Of course it is they that are lying. Just as they Lied about the “Gateway Effect” , Movies Cause Kids to Smoke” and “Flavors Cause Kids to Vape. The latest youth survey debunks all of the above. The recent youth survey debunks both the “Gateway Effect” and the “Movies Cause Smoking in Teens” the first is obvious. Even though there has been an uptick in youth vaping, teen smoking is at historic lows.  From the Survey.


In 2019, the prevalence of self-reported current e-cigarette use was high among US high school and middle school students, while self-reported current cigarette smoking among high school students has declined to historic lows.2

Also the 78% number is a lie. They imply that all of those Teens are regular ecigarette users when the vast majority of those only tried it in the last 30 days and they don’t say what they were vaping. (Nicotine vs THC)  This puts it more in context.









The reason I through THC into the mix is it is what caused the lung outbreaks and deaths and it is closely tied to the vaping numbers.










Back to the Movies, There has been a big push over the years to censor smoking from the movies, Here is a report that Stanton Glantz coauthored this month.

This was coauthored by Stanton Glantz and released within the last week.


What is already known about this topic?

The Surgeon General has concluded that there is a causal relationship between depictions of smoking in movies and the initiation of smoking among young persons.

What is added by this report?

From 2010 to 2018, tobacco incidents in top-grossing movies increased 57%, including a 120% increase in those rated PG-13. In 2018, biographical dramas accounted for most tobacco incidents, including 82% of those in PG-13 movies; 73% of characters who used tobacco in these biographical dramas were fictional.

Notice the uptick in smoking in movies, yet the tobacco survey clearly shows that youth smoking is at historic lows?  If you listen to the following audio about one minute in Stanton Glantz clearly states that Smoking in movies causes kids to smoke and that’s the same level of certainty that smoking causes lung cancer.

Why do I bring this up?  Because there has been a growing push for censorship in other areas.













There has been a huge political push against these products and even want industry to be banned from telling the truth.

“San Francisco Supervisor Shamann Walton, co-author of that city’s pending ban on the sale of e-cigarettes, is complaining that the campaign for Proposition C, a Juul-backed 2019 ballot initiative that would overturn his ordinance, violates federal restrictions on commercial statements about vaping products. Walton’s claim vividly shows how the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) suppresses truthful, nonmisleading statements about the nicotine products it regulates. He wants to take that censorship a step further, arguing that it should also apply to political speech that is unambiguously protected by the First Amendment. . . . Walton nevertheless argues that statements like those, no matter how truthful, are prohibited by FDA regulations that say e-cigarette manufacturers may not promote their products as less dangerous than tobacco cigarettes or as a smoking cessation aid unless those claims have been approved by the FDA. “Juul appears to be using the electioneering in San Francisco to systematically advance unauthorized health-related marketing claims about its products’ advantages to consumers,” he writes. “These messages do not merely portray Juul as a safer alternative to traditional cigarettes—but also as a more effective smoking cessation option than FDA-approved products [such] as Chantix, Nicorette, nicotine patches and gum.”

I have posted before about the “Big Lie” tactics of tobacco control and how it was  they who were advertising to kids. But never the less they continue to push that lie. But Juul did the industry a favor, the industry didn’t think so when it happened but a year ago Juul pulled all flavors except the two traditional flavors, tobacco and menthol/mint. and what happened, instead of all of these wonderful “Kid friendly flavors” as the headlines always say ““‘Peanut Butter Cup’ vape? E-cig ads targeting teens create 224,000 new smokers a year, study says“ The youth survey told a different story. The wonderful flavors they speak of are only available online or vape shops, both of which age verify. So the kids picked mint, one of the two flavors available to them in convenience stores and gas stations who are less likely to card.

So based on all of these lies I continue to call on a full investigation into the Tobacco Control Lies and an immediate ban on government funded lobby groups.










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There Needs to be an Immediate Investigation into Tobacco Control and Their Synergy with the CDC,FDA and the Surgeon Generals Office

Within the last three months and even today social media and the mainstream media is inundated with out and out lies.


































The problem is that every single one of them is a lie and the latest youth survey proves it. Last years survey 2017 showed that fruit was the most popular among teens. in November Juul pulled all flavors except the two traditional tobacco flavors.  Tobacco/Menthol/Mint.

What this fact shows contrary to Tobacco Control’s propaganda it is ease of access not flavors that are driving them.  They are vaping gas station/convenience store flavors. It is the forbidden fruit aspect which is fueled by Tobacco Control propaganda.

Furthermore the Survey shows that teen smoking is at a historic low, yes vaping is up but how much of that is nicotine and how much is THC based. If you look at the following graph ecigarette use=Marijuana use.

“Cigarette smoking rates among teens in the U.S. has reached new historic lows, according to survey data collected earlier this year, but marijuana use edged upward, marking the first significant increase in seven years.

The data on smoking, drinking, and drug use among adolescents, from the University of Michigan’s 2017 Monitoring the Future survey, showed that 24% of 8th, 10th, and 12th graders said they had used marijuana during the past year — an increase of 1.3 points over the previous year.”

The survey had 45,000 respondents in 8th, 10th, and 12th grades in public and private secondary schools across the United States.”

We now know with 100% certainty that the rash of lung injuries and deaths are 100% THC based yet the CDC dragged it’s feet for months sot that Tobacco Control could t up this campaign. Dr Michael Siegel who use to work in Tobacco Control wrote on this months ago. “CDC’s Failure to Demand Urine THC Testing of All Outbreak Patients is Inexcusable and is Putting the Entire Nation at Risk”

Those of us that have been fighting Tobacco Control for decades know all of the lies, but it’s hard to get lawmakers to look past the summaries much less the actual science, but these lies are obvious and we demand answers.

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The Truth is a Lie (A Progressive Fairy Tale)

There has been a full on assault on vaping and the vaping industry in the last three months. And if you want to know where most of the lies come from it is from one man.

In the above video you will here two of the biggest lies being parroted by our government and government funded lobby groups. One ecigarettes are a gateway to smoking and smoking in movies cause an increase in smoking. The following was tweeted by the Surgeon Generals office and created by the CDC.

Again Parroted by Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids










Here is audio stating that smoking in the movies getting youth to smoke is as certain as smoking causes Lung Cancer.

This was coauthored by Stanton Glantz and released within the last week.


What is already known about this topic?

The Surgeon General has concluded that there is a causal relationship between depictions of smoking in movies and the initiation of smoking among young persons.

What is added by this report?

From 2010 to 2018, tobacco incidents in top-grossing movies increased 57%, including a 120% increase in those rated PG-13. In 2018, biographical dramas accounted for most tobacco incidents, including 82% of those in PG-13 movies; 73% of characters who used tobacco in these biographical dramas were fictional.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Continued efforts are needed to reduce tobacco incidents in movies, particularly in PG-13–rated biographical dramas. Giving movies with tobacco incidents an R rating would eliminate tobacco product imagery from youth-rated films.

The problem is that as we all know that this along with the gateway effect is an out and out lie.  How? The youth survey the Trump administration was waiting for.


In 2019, the prevalence of self-reported current e-cigarette use was high among US high school and middle school students, while self-reported current cigarette smoking among high school students has declined to historic lows.2 With the assumption that the prevalence estimates from this survey are nationally representative and could be used to project to national population totals for US high school and middle school students, the data would suggest that in 2019, an estimated 4.1 million high school students and 1.2 million middle school students currently use e-cigarettes, an estimated 1.6 million students reported frequent use of e-cigarettes, an estimated 970 000 students use e-cigarettes daily, and an estimated 2.4 million exclusive e-cigarette users use flavored e-cigarettes. The data also would suggest that among these exclusive e-cigarette users, an estimated 1.6 million high school and middle school students use fruit-flavored e-cigarettes, an estimated 1.2 million use menthol- or mint-flavored e-cigarettes, and an estimated 830 000 use candy-, dessert-, or other sweet–flavored e-cigarettes.

This is concrete proof that the movie claims and gateway claims are an out and out lie. The Truth is that youth vaping caused the most rapid decline in youth smoking.









It is also true that the tobacco control activist out and out lied about the so called “Epidemic” that the vast majority of the increase was short term experimental use not regular vaping.



















The the above graphics are from a powerpoint presentation that can be obtained here.

DrMichael Siegel puts a lot of this into perspective.

This is not about youth smoking or even youth vaping.  It is about the demormalizing of both in order to make smokers second class citizens who are to go into hiding and accept the abusive taxes put on their habit which goes to fund the lobby groups against them.

Audry Silk of NYCLASH did an excellent video on this denormalization.

How do I know all of this?  I along with others like Audrey Silk have been fighting Tobacco Control almost since its inception. Stanton Glantz and others were commissioned to study the health effects of indoor radon and he and his cohorts turned it into anti smoking activism and Stanton was leaking the so called results before the so called report was even finished.

“The comments from the Tobacco Institute and Bliley’s letter both include a strongly worded personal attack on Glantz, using similar language. They accused him of being an anti-smoking advocate whose political activity compromises the integrity of his scientific work. ″The fact that they’re conducting an ad-hominem attack on me shows that they can’t find anything wrong with our work,″ Glantz said.”

The truth is that the tobacco companies sued them and the courts found plenty of scientific fraud in the report and found in favor of the tobacco companies.

“The Environmental Protection Agency is standing by its finding that secondhand tobacco smoke causes cancer despite a federal judge’s decision striking down its 1993 report that made the link.

Lawyers were reviewing the ruling handed down by U.S. District Judge William Osteen in North Carolina, but officials said Sunday an appeal is all but a certainty.

Osteen, acting on a lawsuit filed by the tobacco industry, ruled that the EPA based its 1993 report on inadequate science and failed to demonstrate a statistically significant relationship between secondhand smoke and lung cancer.”

More on that decision here.

The EPA appealed and won, not on the scientific merits of the case but on the fact that it was a government report and not an action by the agency and therefore not review able by the courts. So in plain english THE GOVERNMENT CAN LIE IN REPORTS, and there is nothing that industry can do about it. Which is why you will find most of this propaganda in report form. Even the Surgeon Generals Report on ETS used the same flawed methodology, and why not its lead author was part of the team that faked the EPA report. Don’t believe me? An admission right from page 21 of the report.

“Judge William
L. Osteen, Sr., in the North Carolina Federal District
Court criticized the approach EPA had used to select
studies for its meta-analysis and criticized the use of 90
percent rather than 95 percent confidence intervals for
the summary estimates (Flue-Cured Tobacco Cooperative
Stabilization Corp. v. United States Environmental Protection
Agency, 857 F. Supp. 1137 [M.D.N.C. 1993]). In
December 2002, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
threw out the lawsuit on the basis that tobacco companies
cannot sue the EPA over its secondhand smoke
report because the report was not a final agency action
and therefore not subject to court review (Flue-Cured
Tobacco Cooperative Stabilization Corp. v. The United
States Environmental Protection Agency, No. 98-2407
[4th Cir., December 11, 2002], cited in 17.7 TPLR 2.472
Recognizing that there is still an active discussion
around the use of meta-analysis to pool data
from observational studies (versus clinical trials),
the authors of this Surgeon General’s report used
this methodology to summarize the available data
when deemed appropriate and useful, even while
recognizing that the uncertainty around the metaanalytic
estimates may exceed the uncertainty indicated
by conventional statistical indices, because of
biases either within the observational studies or produced
by the manner of their selection.”

So lying is SOP in Tobacco Control, they make “Big Tobacco” look like amateurs.

Question Should the government be involved in funding lobby groups in any way shape manner or form especially when they lie?

San Francisco Supervisor Shamann Walton, co-author of that city’s pending ban on the sale of e-cigarettes, is complaining that the campaign for Proposition C, a Juul-backed 2019 ballot initiative that would overturn his ordinance, violates federal restrictions on commercial statements about vaping products. . . .

In a recent letter to the FDA, Walton cites a Proposition C ad in which a former smoker says she quit with the help of e-cigarettes after unsuccessfully trying nicotine gum and patches. He also a mentions a presentation in which Proposition C campaign manager Tom Hsieh described e-cigarettes as less harmful than the conventional, combustible kind and called them “a legitimate off-ramp for people who are addicted to cigarettes.” Former FDA chief Scott Gottlieb has said essentially the same thing, calling e-cigarettes an “off-ramp for adults who want to migrate off combustible tobacco and onto e-cigs,” a trend he described as a “tremendous public health opportunity.”

Walton nevertheless argues that statements like those, no matter how truthful, are prohibited by FDA regulations that say e-cigarette manufacturers may not promote their products as less dangerous than tobacco cigarettes or as a smoking cessation aid unless those claims have been approved by the FDA. “Juul appears to be using the electioneering in San Francisco to systematically advance unauthorized health-related marketing claims about its products’ advantages to consumers,” he writes. “These messages do not merely portray Juul as a safer alternative to traditional cigarettes—but also as a more effective smoking cessation option than FDA-approved products [such] as Chantix, Nicorette, nicotine patches and gum.”

So knowing that Tobacco Control are pathological liars and the government agencies are pathological liars who have no interest in the truth and forbid industry from telling the truth what do we do?

Dimitris the VapinGreek has a few ideas that I wholeheartedly agree with.

If you own a shop, take out ads pointing out the obvious lies and tell people in the ads to come to your shop to learn about the much safer alternative to smoking. They are lying, you have every right to defend both yourselves and your livelihood. Download the PDF from the Royal College of Physicians here and give it to your customers.





I could go on a 10 day rant on the lies of Stanton Glantz alone much less Tobacco Control, Here in Wisconsin elderly people in public housing can no longer smoke or vape in their homes.  Push Granny and her wheel chair out in the middle of the street, Audrey Silk is fighting that.  She stood up for vapers in New York and we should support her.


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Jim Crow comes to Wisconsin


Below is my letter to my assemblyman regarding the vaping ban he cosponsored here Wisconsin.

Dear Mr Mursau,

It saddens me to see in the Journal that you were a cosponsor of a bill that would ban vaping in Wisconsin.

There is no justification for such a ban, scientific or otherwise. I was an active member of ban the ban Wisconsin, so I am more then aware of the shoddy science and statistical manipulation that went into getting that ban passed. This time they don’t even have that. The tobacco control. Will tell you that they don’t know what has caused the recient outbreaks, the hell they don’t. It just doesn’t fit their narritive. Dr Michael Siegel who worked at the CDC in the tobacco control decision calls this propaganda irrisponsable and puts the nation at risk. He states that there is no doubt that it’s black market THC cartridges.

While I was working at CDC, I was not aware of a single Epi-Aid in which a single exposure was linked to all cases of an outbreak. There are always going to be a small proportion of people who forgot that they did have a little potato salad at the church picnic. And in this investigation, the problem is far worse. There are no legal implications and no stigma attached to admitting that you ate some potato salad. But for a youth to admit that they were using illicit marijuana vaping carts purchased off the street from drug dealers could have substantial consequences, not only legal ones but stigma-related ones as well as affecting their relationships with their parents.

The CDC itself admits that about 80% of the outbreak patients admit to using THC oils. My count from media reports puts that figure closer to 90%. How high does that proportion have to go before the CDC issues a clear recommendation not to vape THC and stops undermining its own findings by emphasizing the failure to find a common product in every single case? Apparently, it’s 100% before they will take the appropriate actions and enable health authorities to put an end to the tremendous morbidity and mortality this outbreak is causing.

The Milwaukee journal even reported the majority of teens tested positive for THC not nicotine. Don’t you find it a bit strange that someone like me with compromised from smoking 2+ packs a day for 40 years can gape for 10+ years with not only no ill effects but also have not had a single upper respitory problem in that 10 fore I started vaping I got winded walking to the end of the driveway, now I walk miles each day. Do you think that conservative talk show host Vicki McKenna abused her lungs for 20 years and vaped for 10 has a similar story. And yet young people are getting sick and dying with young healthy lungs vaping what we are? How naive are you? Not only do they not show any harm to others the vapor we exhale may have a protective effect.

But back to Vicki’s testimony she brought up a big whopper by tobacco control. Challenge them on this, in every ad they claim that “Big Tobacco was creating these flavors and marketing them to kids. Demand they tell you what flavor was created by which tobacco company and demand they show you the marketing. Then listen to Vicki’s testimony.

Demand they tell you which tobacco company created this flavor and demand they show you the media campaign


They will not be able to show a single flavor by “Big Tobacco” nor will they be able to show the ads. So who did market to kids? They did using Nazi Germany’s “Big Lie” tactics. It was a self fulfilling prophecy.

The fact is the government is Big Tobacco, the government makes more off of tobacco then the tobacco companies and convenience stores combined.


Recently the state saw fit to enact an abusive tax on our ejuice and what do we get for this tax? The right to be treated like second class citizens? At least the Jim Crow laws didn’t tax blacks a black tax to fund their oppressors.

Tobacco control is a collaboration of our government and Big Pharma using money extorted from smokers and now vapors through the MSA.  Do you think it’s proper to use money extorted from the victim to fund a “Big Lie” propaganda campaign against them?

Should taxpayer money be used for any lobbying efforts?

The fact is that because the government makes more then the tobacco companies makes the government big tobacco.  The above video only brings up the MSA (master settlement agreement) it doesn’t mention federal and state taxes (currently 75% in Wisconsin) and sales tax which is mostly tax on tax.  So how do you justify treating us like second class citizens after inflicting such abusive taxes on us?

I owe no allegiance the Republican party. I am a TEA party libertarian. The proper role of taxation is to extract a fair share of government from everyone, not to engage in social engineering and most certainly not lobbies against them. Do you think in a free society it is the proper role of government to fund any lobby group against the people the money was extorted from, much less one that out and out lies?

I will tell you this. If this, the republicans control the legislature and if this passes I will not vote for a single republican in 2020. Regardless of who’s running. It will show me , that the party is not the limited government champion they claim not do they believe in property rights or personal liberties. They are dyed in the wool progressives/fascists.

That’s right I said fascist.  We have not had capitalism for decades.  The government controls everything.  Big Tobacco, Tobacco control and creates political theater pretending to be against tobacco while profiting from it. and creating the illusion of being against it through tobacco control!  Thomas Sowell explained the brilliance of this.

What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama’s point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

But along comes a free market solution Electronic cigarettes that are twice as effective on helping smokers quit as any of the Big Pharma products pushed by the government.  The favors were the free market solution for the crappy flavors in the original ecigarettes.  But we can’t have the free market cutting into the profits of Big Government/Big Tobacco, we have to inflict the vapors with the same abusive punitive taxes that we inflicted smokers with.  Of course we will use the same “Big Lie” for the children techniques.  We will brainwash the populace with a fake youth epidemic by marketing the products to children.  We will use death because of adulterated illegal drugs by not pursuing what the real problem was and implying it was the free market ecigs..

What happened to the good old days when the GOP actually stood for limited government, fair taxation and civil liberties and property rights?


P.S. I did get a response from Mr Mursau

Thank you for contacting me and sharing your position on vaping.  I’m happy to hear that you’ve had a positive experience with vaping and that it’s been a powerful tool for you to stop smoking cigarettes.  I’ve spoken with other folks who’ve had a similar experience.

I think it’s important to share that my bill doesn’t ban vaping.  I agree that adults should be able to vape if they choose to.  What my bill does is it adds vaping to Wisconsin’s smokefree air law.  So any indoor public space where smoking is currently prohibited, vaping would also be prohibited.  A number of establishments are already doing this and local municipalities are looking at adopting ordinances to prevent vaping in public indoor spaces.    My bill would simply make it easier for folks by making the prohibition apply statewide.

One of the reasons why I introduced this bill was because (like you pointed out) folks are using vaping paraphernalia to smoke THC cartridges.  As the state continues to debate whether or not to legalize medicinal or recreational marijuana, I feel a majority of folks would support a ban on smoking marijuana in public indoor spaces.  I don’t think a business owner wants to be put in the position of having to ask a patron/customer what product they’re smoking.

Again, I want to reiterate that I support an adults right to vape and my bill doesn’t ban an adult from being able to purchase or use the products.  Thank you for reaching out to me.  I always appreciate feedback from constituents on issues being considered by the state legislature.

Jeff Mursau

Did little to inspire confidence in him.  I responded how very Jim Crow of you.  This is the 21st century of the Jim Crow era.  Big Government dictating not only who a private business can cater to but also who they can’t the hell with property rights.  With the smoking ban they had manipulated statistics and no real science.  With the vape ban they have nothing!

From Dr Michael Siegel

In this particular vape shop, sampling was conducted under quite adverse conditions. Many of the employees vaped throughout the sampling and 13 customers vaped while in the shop. There was no active ventilation system, and visible clouds of vapor were visible at times. So this seems to represent a high level of exposure compared to what one might expect in a public place outside a vape shop (e.g., a restaurant, bar, or office workplace).

Here are the major results of the air sampling:

Nicotine: Not detected
Glycidol: Not detected
Formaldehyde: 7.2 ppb
Diacetyl: Not detected using standard method
2,3-Pentanedione: Not detected using standard method
Acetyl butyryl: Not detected using standard method
Acetoin: Not detected using standard method
Acetone: Not detected
Ethyl benzene: Not detected
m,p-Xylene: Not detected
o-Xylene: Not detected
Toluene: Not detected
Acetaldehyde: Not detected
Acetonitrile: Not detected
alpha-pinene: Not detected
Benzene: Not detected
Chloroform: Not detected
d-Limonene: Not detected
Methylene chloride: Not detected
Methyl methacrylate: Not detected
n-Hexane: Not detected
Styrene: Not detected

The level of formaldehyde detected is consistent with normal indoor and outdoor air levels of formaldehyde under baseline conditions.

Other than the small concentration of formaldehyde, the only other chemicals that were quantified were ethanol (alcohol) and isopropyl alcohol.

The Rest of the Story

This study, although conducted under very high exposure conditions in a small, non-ventilated vape shop with many employees and customers vaping and clouds of vapor visible, did not document any dangerous levels of exposure to any hazardous chemical. Nicotine exposure was essentially non-existent. Formaldehyde exposure was no different than in many indoor and outdoor environments at baseline. Acetone, acetoin, other aldehydes, toluene, benzene, and xylene were not detected. Chemicals that have been associated with “popcorn lung” were also not detected by the standard method.

And here the good doctor discusses the real epidemic.

The “Other” Youth Vaping Epidemic: Why Has It Been Ignored?

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A Vapers Response to Dick Durbin Et Al.

In April of this year Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin and 13 of his cronies sent a letter to Scott Gottlieb the Commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration, trying to bully him into a back door ban on electronic cigarettes. But the most disturbing part of the letter was the closing statement.

However, the horse is already out of the barn and considerably more must be done to address this looming wave of youth tobacco addiction aided, in part, by FDA inaction. If companies want to use flavors in their tobacco products, they should be required to demonstrate to the FDA that use of flavors will benefit public health—today, not four years from now. We look forward to receiving your responses. Thank you for your immediate attention to this.

This is the mindset of the modern “progressive” politician regardless of party. If you’re a corporation you have no rights. Guilty until proven innocent but OK the proof is in the facts. Millions of adult smokers have quit with the aid of these devices. And anyone who vapes will tell you that most of the tobacco flavors taste like crap. I didn’t catch on to vaping until I finally got a stronger device and experimented with flavors. Am I alone in this. No the largest survey ever done on flavors used was submitted to the FDA the results submitted can be found here.

The bottom line of the study was that flavors are very important to vapers. While almost 21% started vaping tobacco flavors (like me) they found others more acceptable. Less then 8% stayed with Tobacco flavors. Most moved to fruit followed by Desert/pastry/bakery.

Here’s an interview with one of the authors of the survey.


Sadly the political class uses children as political pawns and lie in the process. From the letter.

As we have raised with you many times, there has been an alarming increase in electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use among middle and high school students nationwide over the past few years. While we have successfully reduced youth cigarette smoking rates through public health policies, the failure of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to take swift and decisive action against tobacco products that clearly appeal to children . . . . .

Between 2011 and 2015, the use of e-cigarettes among high school students increased more than ten-fold—from 1.5 percent to 16 percent. While e-cigarette use by high school students dipped to  11.7 percent in 2017, e-cigarettes remain the most popular form of tobacco use among youth. According to the US. Surgeon General’s Report on E-Cigarette Use Among Youth and Young Adults, much of the popularity associated with youth use of e-cigarettes can be attributed to the appealing candy and fruit flavorings that accompany these devices.

Note the massive drop in 2017.  From an article in Forbes.

Yet senators claim that a pause for reconsideration will have “dangerous consequences” for the teens “deliberately targeted” by an industry that plies them with flavors such as “cookies and cream” and “cotton candy.”  This sentiment mirrors familiar activist talking points in which a predatory industry uses child-like flavors to hook kids on vaping and ultimately to get them to smoke. It’s a compelling story, but it just isn’t true.

In adolescents, daily or regular vaping is highly concentrated among those who smoke – this explains the ‘strong association’ between vaping and smoking that the senators draw attention to. But it arises because the same things that incline young people to smoke also incline them to vape. It does not mean the vaping causes the smoking.  In reality it means that vaping is likely functioning as an alternative to smoking, and is partly responsible for the rapid decline in smoking among teenagers since 2010 when e-cigarettes first started becoming popular.

According to the University of Michigan Monitoring the Future survey, cigarette smoking among 12th graders fell from 19.2 percent in 2010 to 10.5 percent in 2016, a rate of decline four times as rapid as the average over the previous 35 years. It is more likely than not that the surge in vaping has a beneficial impact on teenage health by reducing smoking.

There is no evidence that particular flavors exert such a large pull on teenagers that they cause them to start vaping when they otherwise would not.  It is true that once they use these products teenagers say they like the flavors, but that is what we should expect – we would be more alarmed if they were vaping while disliking the flavors!

A 2015 survey published in the Journal of the American Medical Association publicized the obvious finding that teenagers who already vape like the flavor.  But there was little reporting of the less obvious but more interesting finding: that teens are using e-cigarettes to reduce harm to themselves, to quit smoking and to protect those around them (see Table 2), and that taken together, these protective motivations are the main reason teens vape.

Finally, the vast majority of American vapers are adults and their health matters. Many have been smoking for decades and it is their health that is in the greatest peril. By 2015, 2.5 million vapers were former smokers – a very encouraging sign.

As with teens, we have seen a rapid decline in adult smoking since 2010.  The National Health Interview Survey shows a decline in adult smoking from 20.6 percent in 2010 to 15.8 percent in 2016, representing an acceleration of the previous rate of decline and despite a change of sampling methodology in 2016. In good news, the CDC just reported that e-cigarettes are the most popular device used for smoking cessation (35.3%), more popular than both the nicotine gum and patch combined (25.4%).

But sadly children are frequently used as political pawns. And the anti-smoking/vaping activist can’t show how the vaping industry is marketing to children.  They can’t point to any TV ads promoting flavors to children. As a matter of fact it is the anti-vapers who are paying children to use these products in ads promoting the flavors as I pointed out in a previous blog. “The Big Lie (Vaping, children, flavors)”

And these ads are being paid with taxpayer dollars, why would they do this?  Money of course. From the Daily Caller.

In Fiscal Year 2010, the federal excise tax on cigarettes (currently $1.01 per pack) brought in $15.5 billion in revenue. That money went to fund an expansion of the federal State Children’s Health Insurance (SCHIP) program, which provides funding to states for health insurance for families that do not qualify for Medicare, but are still considered of modest means.

Cigarette sales are a boon to states as well. The tax imposed on cigarette packs varies by state, with Missouri having the lowest tax at 17¢ per pack and New York having the highest tax at $4.35 tax per pack. In 2009, states raked in more than $24 billion by taxing cigarettes and $8.8 billion in settlement payments from tobacco companies (under the 1998 tobacco Master Settlement Agreement).

Smokers actually save the government money, both by dying earlier and thus reduce social security payments, and, to a lesser extent, by dying of relatively cheap ailments like lung cancer, a fairly quick killer, rather than more expensive, lingering ailments,” Bader told The Daily Caller.

In addition to folks extending their lives and adding additional burdens to the country’s already strained entitlement programs, John Nothdurft, director of government relations at The Heartland Institute, added that the government would likely raise taxes on other products if cigarettes were no longer available to tax in order to make up for the lost revenue. . . .

“It is hard to know if all of a sudden cigarettes were illegal or nobody smoked anymore, that justification would be gone, but they would still want the revenue, but how they would find it I don’t know,” Robyn told The DC. “Cigarette tax policy is interesting in that it has two competing goals. One is to raise revenue and one is to reduce smoking, so to the extent that it reduces smoking it doesn’t raise revenue.”

Nothdurft noted one of the main reasons the government hits smokers so hard with taxes is because it is easier than pushing through blanket tax increases.

“Politicians don’t want constituents and taxpayers to be mad at them so they try to find small percentages of the population to go after,” he said. ”They put non-users against users, it is very much a divide and conquer approach.”

So if the anti-tobacco campaigners get their way and turn American into a land without smokers, it is possible that after the fiscal pinch is felt by America’s elected officials, they may embrace their inner Joni Mitchell, admitting, “Don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you got ’til it’s gone.”

Since smokers die younger from cheaper ailments they actually save the taxpayer dollars and this bares repeating.  “Politicians don’t want constituents and taxpayers to be mad at them so they try to find small percentages of the population to go after,” he said. ”They put non-users against users, it is very much a divide and conquer approach.” We see this all the time. Vote for us and we’ll give you free stuff and make those evil smokers, rich people, etc etc etc. Whatever minority group it is politically correct to go after. How big and intrusive do you think government would be if everyone were actually forced to pay their fair share.

An of course these same “progressive” types force smokers to pay for the lobby groups that lobby against them, and yet these groups are constantly complaining they aren’t getting a big enough cut. From CBS

(CDC/AP) Tobacco taxes and legal settlements have raked billions of dollars for states around the country according to a new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but over the past decade, only about 3 percent of that money has been spent funding tobacco prevention programs . . . .

Between 1998 and 2010, states have collected nearly $244 billion in cigarette taxes and settlement money, compared with only $8.1 billion earmarked for state tobacco control efforts. The numbers are far less than the minimum of $29.2 billion the CDC said should have been spent over that same period.

While states on average have never spent as much the CDC would like, the total has declined dramatically in recent years as states grapple with budget deficits that have forced layoffs, furloughs and cuts for basic services. Many also have raised tobacco taxes in order to increase revenue and supplement funds provided by the tobacco industry.

And these lobby groups have a vested interest in keeping people smoking rather then vaping. You see they get their funding from two sources. The Master Settlement Agreement which is tied to cigarette sales and Big Pharma (whose smoking cessation products are a dismal failure) And yes the MSA payments are directly linked to cigarette sales.  From Citizens Against Government Waste.

Under the agreement, the tobacco companies would make payments, forever, to state governments. These would cover the costs of smoking-related illnesses. The amount paid by the tobacco companies would directly correlate to the number of cigarettes sold—the more cigarettes sold, the more money the states would get. In exchange for their money, the tobacco companies would not be sued by state and local governments seeking recovery of costs associated with tobacco use. All such ongoing lawsuits were settled by, as its name suggests, this settlement. There were other parts of the agreement, too: restrictions on tobacco advertising, the closure of the tobacco industry’s trade association, increased funding for anti-smoking campaigns, and support for farmers whose tobacco profits were expected to decline as a result of the MSA, to name a few. But the most important components, by far, were the payments from the tobacco companies to state governments and the end of state and local lawsuits against the industry. . . . The Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement simultaneously represents one of the most egregious examples of a government shakedown of private industry and offers a case study of the problems that stem from big government and big business scratching each other’s backs. It has turned the largest tobacco companies into an indispensable cash cow for politicians and bureaucrats, enabled irresponsible state spending, and, amazingly, has resulted in less money for public health and tobacco control while propping up a declining industry. As is the case with discriminatory tobacco taxes, the incentives of the MSA are perverse: the more people smoke, the more money the government gets to spend on whatever it wants. The biggest losers are those with tobacco-related diseases and smokers trying to quit.

From Reuters.

E-cigarettes could stub out tobacco bonds sooner than thought

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The rapid growth of electronic cigarette sales poses a rising but under-appreciated risk to holders of as much as $96 billion of bonds tied to payments tobacco companies make to U.S. states from a sweeping legal settlement in 1998. . . .

But as smokers swap traditional cigarettes for tobacco-free e-cigarettes and other vaping products, the smoking rate is declining even faster and analysts now predict some bonds could go into default before the end of this decade.

“If the decline goes to 6 or 7 percent, it will be very quick,” said Tom Metzold, portfolio manager at Eaton Vance Investment Managers. “I think that the first ones are probably five years away,” he said in reference to defaults.

While still a small part of the cigarette market, sales of e-cigarettes and vaporizers have already grown to be worth more than $2.2 billion from next to nothing four years ago. By some estimates, they will capture more than half the smoking market within a decade, and tobacco companies are already jockeying for leading positions as that change unfolds.

“We believe consumption of e-vapor will eclipse consumption of combustible cigs over the next decade as technology improves,” wrote Bonnie Herzog, analyst at Wells Fargo, who has tracked the tobacco industry for years, in a recent report.

But remember, it’s for the children. From the Legacy Foundation/Truth initiatives own site.

We’ve helped bring teen cigarette use down from 23 percent in 2000 to less than 6 percent in 2018. We’re proud of that success, but our work won’t stop until we achieve a culture where all youth and young adults reject tobacco. . . .

2016 Teen smoking in the U.S. falls to a record-low 5.9 percent, a full percentage point drop in just one year, underscoring the success of public education campaigns like the truth® campaign and programs from the CDC and the FDA.

But wait, remember the quote from Durbin’s letter?

Between 2011 and 2015, the use of e-cigarettes among high school students increased more than ten-fold—from 1.5 percent to 16 percent. While e-cigarette use by high school students dipped to  1.7 percent in 2017, e-cigarettes remain the most popular form of tobacco use among youth.

So the article in Forbes by tobacco control’s own admission is correct. Teens opted for a less hazardous alternative.

Can you imagine the public outcry if the vaping industry put out an ad like this?

I’m sure the kids today are laughing at this in much the same way you politicians sat in your college dorms sparking up a bong laughing at these PSA’s

Kids now days are no different then we were. They smoke and vape for the same reasons that we did.  Our parents and the powers that be told us it was the forbidden fruit and we rebelled. We did exactly what we were told not to.  So can the for the children BS. It’s all about power and money. Oh and can the gateway BS too.

American Legacy Foundation®/CASA* Report: Reducing Teen Smoking Can Cut Marijuana Use Significantly

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The Big Lie (Vaping, children, flavors)

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X
We have all seen the headlines about how the vaping industry is targeting kids.

E-cigarette makers are pouring tens of millions of dollars into advertising their wares — and teenagers are getting the message loud and clear, federal health officials reported Tuesday.

As advertising skyrockets, so do the number of teens seeing it. They’re vaping by the millions now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports. The CDC says that trend threatens to derail decades of progress in helping prevent kids from taking up smoking.

 In the United States, cartoon characters are a no-no in cigarette ads, and candy- or fruit-flavored cigarettes can’t be sold. But that’s not the case for e-cigarettes, and these youth-appealing tactics are luring teens who have never used tobacco products to give e-cigs and even cigarettes a try, a new study suggests.

Advertising for traditional cigarettes is strictly regulated: No cowboys looking cool, no cartoons and no bright colors that play up candy-flavored cigarettes that might appeal to kids.

Yet these bans don’t apply to e-cigarettes or vapes — increasingly a choice for experimentation by adolescents and young adults. These smoking products use chemical solutions with nicotine flavored with “juices” that have names like “Bubble Pop,” “Strawberry Cotton Candy” and “Peanut Butter Cup.” People inhale these as if they were smoking a traditional cigarette.

So I decided to do a google search for flavored e juice ads to see just how “kid friendly” they were, you know how many I found? NONE! I found plenty of places that sold ejuice, but no print ads, no TV ads and no radio ads. oh wait, I found some.

I even found this cute little radio ad.

So it appears that the news media and tobacco control are doing a much better job of selling these products to kids. Also notice how they try to tie the vaping industry to “Big Tobacco”
There are very few of these products being sold by the tobacco companies and you will find ads for them with very limited flavors, oh and those products are grandfathered in to the FDA deeming regulations.

So now look at the other blatant lies from the conclusion of the Surgeon Generals report
One has to ask how can they get away with such blatant lies. To find the answer to this you have to go back to the beginnings of the tobacco control movement. A group of activist (which included Stanton Glantz and Jonathan Samet) were hired by the EPA to study the effects of radon indoors. Instead these activist faked a report on the effects of second hand smoke. That’s right I said faked. the vast majority of the studies included 1 in the CI meaning no significant chance.

Confidence interval (CI)

The confidence interval indicates the level of uncertainty around the measure of effect (precision of the effect estimate) which in this case is expressed as an OR.  Confidence intervals are used because a study recruits only a small sample of the overall population so by having an upper and lower confidence limit we can infer that  the true population effect lies between these two points. Most studies report the 95% confidence interval (95%CI).

If the confidence interval crosses 1 e.g. 95%CI 0.9-1.1 this implies there is no difference between arms of the study.

to get around this they employed meta-analysis to get around this, they still couldn’t get it done so they dropped the CI from 95% to 90% doubling the margin of error.

The tobacco companies sued and won. The science was pure junk. The EPA appealed, not on the merits of the so called science but on the fact that it was just a report not an action taken by the agency and therefore not reviewable by the courts. Yet this report is still touted as fact. The subsequent Surgeon Generals report used the same methodology.(which is not surprising since the above mentioned Jonathan Samet was the lead author.  How do we know this?  They admit it! From page 21 of the report.

Judge William
L. Osteen, Sr., in the North Carolina Federal District
Court criticized the approach EPA had used to select
studies for its meta-analysis and criticized the use of 90
percent rather than 95 percent confidence intervals for
the summary estimates (Flue-Cured Tobacco Cooperative
Stabilization Corp. v. United States Environmental Protection
Agency, 857 F. Supp. 1137 [M.D.N.C. 1993]). In
December 2002, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
threw out the lawsuit on the basis that tobacco companies
cannot sue the EPA over its secondhand smoke
report because the report was not a final agency action
and therefore not subject to court review (Flue-Cured
Tobacco Cooperative Stabilization Corp. v. The United
States Environmental Protection Agency, No. 98-2407
[4th Cir., December 11, 2002], cited in 17.7 TPLR 2.472
Recognizing that there is still an active discussion
around the use of meta-analysis to pool data
from observational studies (versus clinical trials),
the authors of this Surgeon General’s report used
this methodology to summarize the available data
when deemed appropriate and useful, even while
recognizing that the uncertainty around the metaanalytic
estimates may exceed the uncertainty indicated
by conventional statistical indices, because of
biases either within the observational studies or produced
by the manner of their selection.


What??? Epidemic???

I vape and I notice other vapers and I’ve only seen two adults using the juul and only seen one minor vaping and his dad bought it for him to get him off of cigarettes. Maybe in certain parts of the country where tobacco control is doing a bang up job of advertising these products but not where I live.

So there you have it. Regulatory agencies can lie through their teeth and industry can do nothing but bend over and take it. Not to mention that these same regulators forbid and I MEAN FORBID you from saying that electronic cigarettes are 95+% safer then cigarettes and have helped millions to quit?

But why would they do this?

Because many are willing to give up some of their rights in the name of children and more so if it has no effect on them. It use to be products like people were innocent until proven guilty, not anymore. Now your guilty by association. EVEN IF THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION! Everyone knows that the tobacco companies lied, that is a proven fact. So tobacco control and especially Stanton Glantz engages in these ad homenim attacks to cast doubt on all who would oppose them. Don’t believe me? Using taxpayer money Stanton cooked up one of his studies declaring The TEA party of being a big tobacco front because of their limited government stance.

Climate change doubt is a key belief in the TEA Party, sparked by the Koch-related Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. Big Tobacco was heavily involved from the 1980s onward, and by 1992 the “Tea Party” was already in play. Extensive new research has unearthed the real history. 

“‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third-party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party” by Amanda Fallin, Rachel Grana and Stanton A Glantz, was published online last week in BMJ Tobacco Control, a high-impact peer-reviewed journal. They write:

“Rather than being a purely grassroots movement that spontaneously developed in 2009, the Tea Party has developed over time, in part through decades of work by the tobacco industry and other corporate interests.”

“Starting in the 1980s, tobacco companies worked to create the appearance of broad opposition to tobacco control policies by attempting to create a grassroots smokers’ rights movement. Simultaneously, they funded and worked through third-party groups, such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, the predecessor of AFP and FreedomWorks, to accomplish their economic and political agenda. There has been continuity of some key players, strategies and messages from these groups to Tea Party organisations. As of 2012, the Tea Party was beginning to spread internationally.”

Still don’t believe me? They expel people from the movement for refusing to engage in such tactics.

Rest of the Story Author Expelled from Smokefree Air List-Serve for Criticizing Unfounded and Inflammatory Smear Campaign Against Smoking Ban Opponent

The Rest of the Story

Of course I was thrown off off the list-serve. Any comments that are not supportive of the established anti-smoking cause and its aggressive agenda – which includes attacking individual citizens with no affiliation with Big Tobacco – are automatically viewed as non-constructive and non-productive and therefore, the dissenter must be immediately silenced. There is truly no room for dissent in the tobacco control movement. Dissent is met swiftly and firmly with censorship. The movement will not allow dissenting views to be heard, lest advocates consider those views and decide to challenge the prevailing wisdom and tactics of the movement.

If you ask any honest smoker why they started and if honest will tell you that it was the rebellion anti establishment factor, we all coughed up our left lung and it tasted like shit regardless of flavor. But we pushed through because we wanted that rebel image. How many of you baby boomers fired up a fat boy laughing at PSA’s like this?

This is true of any generation. It is no surprise that in our grand or great grand parents generation alcohol consumption went up as a result of prohibition, in my generation drug use went up as a result. To you nanny statist, look in the mirror. You are the problem.

In closing I leave you with these words from the Declaration of Independence.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And ask yourself, in a so called free society is it the role of government to tell consenting adults what products they can have?



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Vaping “The Case Against Regulation”

The anti Vapor’s will talk about exploding ecigarettes, when this started to happen the ecig industry quickly responded by creating regulated mods that had reverse battery protection and short circuit protection.

The problem is that we are dealing with high current batteries.  We have seen the same problem with cell phones and other devices that use the same technology. If you short circuit a AAA or other such battery you may get slight leaking and venting but that’s about it.  But with those batteries your are measuring the maximum drain in the milliamps to a few amps. The batteries used in ecigarettes are capable of 10s of amps. Some capable of 30+ amps. If you short circuit any battery capable of such current you will have a violent reaction. Same holds true if you short circuit your car battery. This is why the vast majority of the accidents occur with loose batteries carried in a persons pocket shorting out with keys or loose change.


Here’s a typical 18650 used for an ecigarette vs a car battery.



Car Battery.

As you can see there is an inherent risk with all high powered batteries.


Hidden Formaldehyde in E-Cigarette Aerosols

What they didn’t tell you is that they cranked up the voltage to the point of dry hits which to any of us vape the flavor when you hit that point is intolerable.

“The main finding was that at low voltage, no formaldehyde was detected, but at high voltage, high levels of formaldehyde were detected. Using these levels, the authors extrapolate to derive an overall lifetime cancer risk from vaping, which they claim is higher than that from cigarette smoking.

The Rest of the Story

There’s just one problem with the study, but this problem renders its conclusion invalid.

The conditions used to study the e-cigarette aerosol at the high voltage setting were unrealistic and under such conditions, a vaper would never be able to use the product. This is because the wattage being used was so high that the vaporizer was overheated (for a conventional e-cigarette it would likely damage or burn the coils), creating a horrible taste which a vaper could not tolerate. This is sometimes referred to as the “dry puff phenomenon.”

But how did the industry respond? Within a very short time the manufactures came out with temperature controlled devices further reducing the risk.

The Headline

“eCigarettes are a gateway to smoking” and flavored ejuice is marketed to kids.

Well the first part has been debunked more times then I care to count. Is there an uptick in teen use?  YES. If any of us remember when we started smoking as teens. Those are the rebellious years. Smoking was the forbidden fruit, the more propaganda that was put out against tobacco the more attractive it was. So gives the rebellious nature of children at this age, would they be more likely to try cigarettes? PROBABLY. In the absence of ecigarettes would they be more likely to go straight to cigarettes? Again probably. They are also prone to other risky behavior including reckless driving, drug use and risky sexual behavior, but is anyone making the claim that vaping leads to sex?  And as former Tobacco Control member Michael Siegel says,

” In fact, the truth appears to be the exact opposite of what these groups are telling the public. Electronic cigarettes are not creating a whole new generation of smokers. Instead, they appear to be diverting smokers and potential smokers away from tobacco cigarettes and toward the fake ones, which are orders of magnitude safer. And by equating the health hazards of smoking with those of vaping, these groups are the ones who are actually guilty of undermining 50 years of public health efforts in smoking reduction. . . Joe Nocera, in his New York Times column, astutely points out this strange behavior for an agency that is supposed to be focused on preventing disease and death. He writes:

“equating smoking cigarettes with inhaling e-cigarettes, as the C.D.C. is doing in its messaging around teen tobacco use, is a huge disservice to public health. On the scale of potential harms, e-cigarettes aren’t even in the same ballpark as combustible cigarettes. They have the potential to save millions of lives if smokers could be convinced to switch—which is what the C.D.C. ought to be stressing. Jack Henningfield, a tobacco expert at Pinney Associates, told me that while youths should be discouraged from using nicotine, “putting electronic products in the same basket as cigarettes is not truthful, credible or helpful.” Invariably, teens do things they shouldn’t; that’s part of growing up. For decades, smoking cigarettes has been one of those things. The fact that they are doing less of it than ever before is not a cause for dismay. It is a cause for celebration.”.”

On the flavoring, that ones a little harder, yes flavoring might appeal to kids, but then most of us wouldn’t have continued vaping if it were not for the flavors, as hard as I tried I never found a tobacco flavor that could replace my good old Camel straight.  It’s just not out there.  It was not until I gave up that quest and experimented with other flavors that I was satisfied.  But on the marketing front, when you ever saw or heard an ejuice ad? You have to already be a vapor and look for it online or find a vape shop. Which is probably why most youth use the Juul, not because of the flavoring but because you can get those at convenience stores, gas stations etc etc. Not vape shops who don’t allow children in. So to say these ejuice manufacturers are marketing to kids is a lie, I challenge the likes of Stanton Glantz to produce this marketing.

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While the anti smokers/anti vapors are allowed to continuously put out false reports as a result of a poorly done report done by Stanton Glantz and his cronies when they were suppose to be studying the effects of radon. The report was so poorly done using questionable methodology that the tobacco companies won in court? No, instead of defending their Bullshit report they argued that as a government report it was not review able by the courts. So the government can lie through reports while at the same time forbid the vaping industry from openly talking about harm reduction.

So I have shown the industries rapid response to questionable claims by the anti vaping community. Exploding batteries brought us regulated Mods. Over voltage brought us temp control. And even the juice manufactures were quick to respond, when the anti vapors went on a campaign talking about diacetyl and “Popcorn Lung” even the report was complete BS most manufactures were quick to remove it from their flavors. Ignoring the fact that  diacetyl was suspected but not proven to cause the lung ailments in that popcorn factory and the fact that they were inhaling high doses in powdered form. They ignore the fact that the  diacetyl in traditional cigarettes is 750 times higher, again from Dr Michael Siegel.

Fujioka and Shibamoto conducted a study to measure the diacetyl exposure from active smoking. They found that the average diacetyl content of the cigarettes tested was 335.9 micrograms per cigarette. Assuming that a smoker consumes one pack per day (20 cigarettes), the average daily inhaled does of diacetyl associated with smoking is therefore 6718 micrograms.

Table 1. Average inhaled daily diacetyl dose associated with smoking vs. vaping
Vaping: 9 micrograms
Smoking: 6718 micrograms

Daily exposure to diacetyl from smoking is therefore 750 times higher, on average, than exposure to diacetyl from vaping.

Even if one looks at the maximum detected level of diacetyl in the electronic cigarettes vs. real cigarettes tested, the exposure of a smoker is much higher than that of a vaper.

Table 2. Maximum inhaled daily diacetyl dose associated with smoking vs. vaping
Vaping: 239 micrograms
Smoking: 20340 micrograms (see Pierce et al., 2014)

Thus, the “worst” e-cigarette tested produces diacetyl exposure that is 85 times lower than that of the “worst” cigarette tested.

There is a second important fact that was omitted from the journal article (and from the ensuing media coverage).

That fact: Despite the much higher levels of diacetyl in tobacco smoke than in e-cigarette vapor, smoking has not been associatedwith “popcorn lung.”

Thus, it is clearly misrepresenting the scientific evidence to conclude that vaping increases the risk of “popcorn lung” or that vaping causes “popcorn lung.”

None of these rapid advancements would have been possible had the industry had to spend millions of dollars jumping through the FDA process. Even the simple removal of diacetyl from ejuice would have required the industry to spend millions of unnecessary dollars and to what end.  It use to be that a person or product was innocent until proven guilty. But if you can paint with the broad brush of “Big Tobacco” the opposite seems to be true.



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Vaping Styles Experiment and Flashback

Yesterday morning I was watching a review by Phil Busardo at Taste Your Juice.  Reading through the comments, one comment asked “Phil. are you finding the hit to strong with 12 mg on those .3 ohm coils?” Of course the device was an unregulated restricted lung device so I responded no that that’s how I vape with 18mg juice.  It got me to thinking on how I went from smoking analogs MTL (mouth to lung) to DL (direct lung).  I am not a pot smoker so DL was completely foreign to me. All of the earlier devices I tried (cigalikes,evod etc etc etc) I strictly vaped MTL, it was not until I got my first regulated box mod (Kanger 50w subtank mini kit) that I started doing DL hits.  So I decided to dig it out of mothballs and try it again.  For this experiment I bummed a cigarette from a friend smoking it MTL as one normally would then I would take the same MTL puff on my old Kanger.  Then it all started coming back to me. The kanger put out a tiny wisp of vapor, not even on par with a cigalike.  I had the subtank set up MTL so I took several drags in succession letting up on the button in between, the vapor was a little better but not by much.  Then while still set up MTL  I took a DL hit like I would now.  The throat hit was massive and I started coughing.  Oh yea now I remember.  The first DL hit I took on this device was with a 27mg tobacco juice that was 100% PG, VG wasn’t out yet. So as you old vapers can imagine I coughed a lung up.  I coughed so hard tears came to my eyes.  I soon learned that by opening up the air and reducing the nicotine content I could bring the throat hit down to a tolerable level.  Of course with the introduction of VG I had even more control.

Why did I have this experience?  Well the early regulated box mods had an extremely long delay, if I remember right it was close to a half of a second, added to that the sub ohm tanks had beefier coils then the cigalikes and egos which required a longer ramp up to temperature.  So while still in MTL configuration I held the button down until I heard the old familiar sizzle and then took a mouth to MTL, ah that’s it much better. So I took the old subtank off the Kbox and put it on my Thinkvape Finder and tried just doing a MTL.  It was much better then the Kbox but it wasn’t quite there. Even though there was practically no delay there still was a slight ramp up so I found that if I took a few primer puffs and then a MTL, bingo that did it.  So for the last day I have been swapping back and forth between restricted DL and MTL.  I found that on fruity flavors I could not taste any differences.  But on what I like to call darker flavors like my all day vape,  Private Stock by Innevape (Hazelnut, butterscotch and Caramel) some of the flavors where slightly muted.

With this new knowledge am I going to go back to MTL?  Probably not, I have to make a conscious effort to take the primer puffs and the difference isn’t drastic enough to put in that effort.  But it’s things that you forget during the journey that just might help the newbees out so I thought I’d share the experience.  While the MTL experience is closer to smoking the old analogs, it is not a one to one experience.  In order to get a good MTL you have to either hold the button down for the preheat or take primer puffs like smoking a pipe.  I just watched Phil and Mike do reviews on exactly the same tank and they both take primer puffs.  Something I never thought of in my early days of sub ohming.





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