A Vapers Response to Dick Durbin Et Al.

In April of this year Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin and 13 of his cronies sent a letter to Scott Gottlieb the Commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration, trying to bully him into a back door ban on electronic cigarettes. But the most disturbing part of the letter was the closing statement.

However, the horse is already out of the barn and considerably more must be done to address this looming wave of youth tobacco addiction aided, in part, by FDA inaction. If companies want to use flavors in their tobacco products, they should be required to demonstrate to the FDA that use of flavors will benefit public health—today, not four years from now. We look forward to receiving your responses. Thank you for your immediate attention to this.

This is the mindset of the modern “progressive” politician regardless of party. If you’re a corporation you have no rights. Guilty until proven innocent but OK the proof is in the facts. Millions of adult smokers have quit with the aid of these devices. And anyone who vapes will tell you that most of the tobacco flavors taste like crap. I didn’t catch on to vaping until I finally got a stronger device and experimented with flavors. Am I alone in this. No the largest survey ever done on flavors used was submitted to the FDA the results submitted can be found here.

The bottom line of the study was that flavors are very important to vapers. While almost 21% started vaping tobacco flavors (like me) they found others more acceptable. Less then 8% stayed with Tobacco flavors. Most moved to fruit followed by Desert/pastry/bakery.

Here’s an interview with one of the authors of the survey.


Sadly the political class uses children as political pawns and lie in the process. From the letter.

As we have raised with you many times, there has been an alarming increase in electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use among middle and high school students nationwide over the past few years. While we have successfully reduced youth cigarette smoking rates through public health policies, the failure of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to take swift and decisive action against tobacco products that clearly appeal to children . . . . .

Between 2011 and 2015, the use of e-cigarettes among high school students increased more than ten-fold—from 1.5 percent to 16 percent. While e-cigarette use by high school students dipped to  11.7 percent in 2017, e-cigarettes remain the most popular form of tobacco use among youth. According to the US. Surgeon General’s Report on E-Cigarette Use Among Youth and Young Adults, much of the popularity associated with youth use of e-cigarettes can be attributed to the appealing candy and fruit flavorings that accompany these devices.

Note the massive drop in 2017.  From an article in Forbes.

Yet senators claim that a pause for reconsideration will have “dangerous consequences” for the teens “deliberately targeted” by an industry that plies them with flavors such as “cookies and cream” and “cotton candy.”  This sentiment mirrors familiar activist talking points in which a predatory industry uses child-like flavors to hook kids on vaping and ultimately to get them to smoke. It’s a compelling story, but it just isn’t true.

In adolescents, daily or regular vaping is highly concentrated among those who smoke – this explains the ‘strong association’ between vaping and smoking that the senators draw attention to. But it arises because the same things that incline young people to smoke also incline them to vape. It does not mean the vaping causes the smoking.  In reality it means that vaping is likely functioning as an alternative to smoking, and is partly responsible for the rapid decline in smoking among teenagers since 2010 when e-cigarettes first started becoming popular.

According to the University of Michigan Monitoring the Future survey, cigarette smoking among 12th graders fell from 19.2 percent in 2010 to 10.5 percent in 2016, a rate of decline four times as rapid as the average over the previous 35 years. It is more likely than not that the surge in vaping has a beneficial impact on teenage health by reducing smoking.

There is no evidence that particular flavors exert such a large pull on teenagers that they cause them to start vaping when they otherwise would not.  It is true that once they use these products teenagers say they like the flavors, but that is what we should expect – we would be more alarmed if they were vaping while disliking the flavors!

A 2015 survey published in the Journal of the American Medical Association publicized the obvious finding that teenagers who already vape like the flavor.  But there was little reporting of the less obvious but more interesting finding: that teens are using e-cigarettes to reduce harm to themselves, to quit smoking and to protect those around them (see Table 2), and that taken together, these protective motivations are the main reason teens vape.

Finally, the vast majority of American vapers are adults and their health matters. Many have been smoking for decades and it is their health that is in the greatest peril. By 2015, 2.5 million vapers were former smokers – a very encouraging sign.

As with teens, we have seen a rapid decline in adult smoking since 2010.  The National Health Interview Survey shows a decline in adult smoking from 20.6 percent in 2010 to 15.8 percent in 2016, representing an acceleration of the previous rate of decline and despite a change of sampling methodology in 2016. In good news, the CDC just reported that e-cigarettes are the most popular device used for smoking cessation (35.3%), more popular than both the nicotine gum and patch combined (25.4%).

But sadly children are frequently used as political pawns. And the anti-smoking/vaping activist can’t show how the vaping industry is marketing to children.  They can’t point to any TV ads promoting flavors to children. As a matter of fact it is the anti-vapers who are paying children to use these products in ads promoting the flavors as I pointed out in a previous blog. “The Big Lie (Vaping, children, flavors)”

And these ads are being paid with taxpayer dollars, why would they do this?  Money of course. From the Daily Caller.

In Fiscal Year 2010, the federal excise tax on cigarettes (currently $1.01 per pack) brought in $15.5 billion in revenue. That money went to fund an expansion of the federal State Children’s Health Insurance (SCHIP) program, which provides funding to states for health insurance for families that do not qualify for Medicare, but are still considered of modest means.

Cigarette sales are a boon to states as well. The tax imposed on cigarette packs varies by state, with Missouri having the lowest tax at 17¢ per pack and New York having the highest tax at $4.35 tax per pack. In 2009, states raked in more than $24 billion by taxing cigarettes and $8.8 billion in settlement payments from tobacco companies (under the 1998 tobacco Master Settlement Agreement).

Smokers actually save the government money, both by dying earlier and thus reduce social security payments, and, to a lesser extent, by dying of relatively cheap ailments like lung cancer, a fairly quick killer, rather than more expensive, lingering ailments,” Bader told The Daily Caller.

In addition to folks extending their lives and adding additional burdens to the country’s already strained entitlement programs, John Nothdurft, director of government relations at The Heartland Institute, added that the government would likely raise taxes on other products if cigarettes were no longer available to tax in order to make up for the lost revenue. . . .

“It is hard to know if all of a sudden cigarettes were illegal or nobody smoked anymore, that justification would be gone, but they would still want the revenue, but how they would find it I don’t know,” Robyn told The DC. “Cigarette tax policy is interesting in that it has two competing goals. One is to raise revenue and one is to reduce smoking, so to the extent that it reduces smoking it doesn’t raise revenue.”

Nothdurft noted one of the main reasons the government hits smokers so hard with taxes is because it is easier than pushing through blanket tax increases.

“Politicians don’t want constituents and taxpayers to be mad at them so they try to find small percentages of the population to go after,” he said. ”They put non-users against users, it is very much a divide and conquer approach.”

So if the anti-tobacco campaigners get their way and turn American into a land without smokers, it is possible that after the fiscal pinch is felt by America’s elected officials, they may embrace their inner Joni Mitchell, admitting, “Don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you got ’til it’s gone.”

Since smokers die younger from cheaper ailments they actually save the taxpayer dollars and this bares repeating.  “Politicians don’t want constituents and taxpayers to be mad at them so they try to find small percentages of the population to go after,” he said. ”They put non-users against users, it is very much a divide and conquer approach.” We see this all the time. Vote for us and we’ll give you free stuff and make those evil smokers, rich people, etc etc etc. Whatever minority group it is politically correct to go after. How big and intrusive do you think government would be if everyone were actually forced to pay their fair share.

An of course these same “progressive” types force smokers to pay for the lobby groups that lobby against them, and yet these groups are constantly complaining they aren’t getting a big enough cut. From CBS

(CDC/AP) Tobacco taxes and legal settlements have raked billions of dollars for states around the country according to a new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but over the past decade, only about 3 percent of that money has been spent funding tobacco prevention programs . . . .

Between 1998 and 2010, states have collected nearly $244 billion in cigarette taxes and settlement money, compared with only $8.1 billion earmarked for state tobacco control efforts. The numbers are far less than the minimum of $29.2 billion the CDC said should have been spent over that same period.

While states on average have never spent as much the CDC would like, the total has declined dramatically in recent years as states grapple with budget deficits that have forced layoffs, furloughs and cuts for basic services. Many also have raised tobacco taxes in order to increase revenue and supplement funds provided by the tobacco industry.

And these lobby groups have a vested interest in keeping people smoking rather then vaping. You see they get their funding from two sources. The Master Settlement Agreement which is tied to cigarette sales and Big Pharma (whose smoking cessation products are a dismal failure) And yes the MSA payments are directly linked to cigarette sales.  From Citizens Against Government Waste.

Under the agreement, the tobacco companies would make payments, forever, to state governments. These would cover the costs of smoking-related illnesses. The amount paid by the tobacco companies would directly correlate to the number of cigarettes sold—the more cigarettes sold, the more money the states would get. In exchange for their money, the tobacco companies would not be sued by state and local governments seeking recovery of costs associated with tobacco use. All such ongoing lawsuits were settled by, as its name suggests, this settlement. There were other parts of the agreement, too: restrictions on tobacco advertising, the closure of the tobacco industry’s trade association, increased funding for anti-smoking campaigns, and support for farmers whose tobacco profits were expected to decline as a result of the MSA, to name a few. But the most important components, by far, were the payments from the tobacco companies to state governments and the end of state and local lawsuits against the industry. . . . The Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement simultaneously represents one of the most egregious examples of a government shakedown of private industry and offers a case study of the problems that stem from big government and big business scratching each other’s backs. It has turned the largest tobacco companies into an indispensable cash cow for politicians and bureaucrats, enabled irresponsible state spending, and, amazingly, has resulted in less money for public health and tobacco control while propping up a declining industry. As is the case with discriminatory tobacco taxes, the incentives of the MSA are perverse: the more people smoke, the more money the government gets to spend on whatever it wants. The biggest losers are those with tobacco-related diseases and smokers trying to quit.

From Reuters.

E-cigarettes could stub out tobacco bonds sooner than thought

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The rapid growth of electronic cigarette sales poses a rising but under-appreciated risk to holders of as much as $96 billion of bonds tied to payments tobacco companies make to U.S. states from a sweeping legal settlement in 1998. . . .

But as smokers swap traditional cigarettes for tobacco-free e-cigarettes and other vaping products, the smoking rate is declining even faster and analysts now predict some bonds could go into default before the end of this decade.

“If the decline goes to 6 or 7 percent, it will be very quick,” said Tom Metzold, portfolio manager at Eaton Vance Investment Managers. “I think that the first ones are probably five years away,” he said in reference to defaults.

While still a small part of the cigarette market, sales of e-cigarettes and vaporizers have already grown to be worth more than $2.2 billion from next to nothing four years ago. By some estimates, they will capture more than half the smoking market within a decade, and tobacco companies are already jockeying for leading positions as that change unfolds.

“We believe consumption of e-vapor will eclipse consumption of combustible cigs over the next decade as technology improves,” wrote Bonnie Herzog, analyst at Wells Fargo, who has tracked the tobacco industry for years, in a recent report.

But remember, it’s for the children. From the Legacy Foundation/Truth initiatives own site.

We’ve helped bring teen cigarette use down from 23 percent in 2000 to less than 6 percent in 2018. We’re proud of that success, but our work won’t stop until we achieve a culture where all youth and young adults reject tobacco. . . .

2016 Teen smoking in the U.S. falls to a record-low 5.9 percent, a full percentage point drop in just one year, underscoring the success of public education campaigns like the truth® campaign and programs from the CDC and the FDA.

But wait, remember the quote from Durbin’s letter?

Between 2011 and 2015, the use of e-cigarettes among high school students increased more than ten-fold—from 1.5 percent to 16 percent. While e-cigarette use by high school students dipped to  1.7 percent in 2017, e-cigarettes remain the most popular form of tobacco use among youth.

So the article in Forbes by tobacco control’s own admission is correct. Teens opted for a less hazardous alternative.

Can you imagine the public outcry if the vaping industry put out an ad like this?

I’m sure the kids today are laughing at this in much the same way you politicians sat in your college dorms sparking up a bong laughing at these PSA’s

Kids now days are no different then we were. They smoke and vape for the same reasons that we did.  Our parents and the powers that be told us it was the forbidden fruit and we rebelled. We did exactly what we were told not to.  So can the for the children BS. It’s all about power and money. Oh and can the gateway BS too.

American Legacy Foundation®/CASA* Report: Reducing Teen Smoking Can Cut Marijuana Use Significantly

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The Big Lie (Vaping, children, flavors)

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X
We have all seen the headlines about how the vaping industry is targeting kids.

E-cigarette makers are pouring tens of millions of dollars into advertising their wares — and teenagers are getting the message loud and clear, federal health officials reported Tuesday.

As advertising skyrockets, so do the number of teens seeing it. They’re vaping by the millions now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports. The CDC says that trend threatens to derail decades of progress in helping prevent kids from taking up smoking.

 In the United States, cartoon characters are a no-no in cigarette ads, and candy- or fruit-flavored cigarettes can’t be sold. But that’s not the case for e-cigarettes, and these youth-appealing tactics are luring teens who have never used tobacco products to give e-cigs and even cigarettes a try, a new study suggests.

Advertising for traditional cigarettes is strictly regulated: No cowboys looking cool, no cartoons and no bright colors that play up candy-flavored cigarettes that might appeal to kids.

Yet these bans don’t apply to e-cigarettes or vapes — increasingly a choice for experimentation by adolescents and young adults. These smoking products use chemical solutions with nicotine flavored with “juices” that have names like “Bubble Pop,” “Strawberry Cotton Candy” and “Peanut Butter Cup.” People inhale these as if they were smoking a traditional cigarette.

So I decided to do a google search for flavored e juice ads to see just how “kid friendly” they were, you know how many I found? NONE! I found plenty of places that sold ejuice, but no print ads, no TV ads and no radio ads. oh wait, I found some.

I even found this cute little radio ad.

So it appears that the news media and tobacco control are doing a much better job of selling these products to kids. Also notice how they try to tie the vaping industry to “Big Tobacco”
There are very few of these products being sold by the tobacco companies and you will find ads for them with very limited flavors, oh and those products are grandfathered in to the FDA deeming regulations.

So now look at the other blatant lies from the conclusion of the Surgeon Generals report
One has to ask how can they get away with such blatant lies. To find the answer to this you have to go back to the beginnings of the tobacco control movement. A group of activist (which included Stanton Glantz and Jonathan Samet) were hired by the EPA to study the effects of radon indoors. Instead these activist faked a report on the effects of second hand smoke. That’s right I said faked. the vast majority of the studies included 1 in the CI meaning no significant chance.

Confidence interval (CI)

The confidence interval indicates the level of uncertainty around the measure of effect (precision of the effect estimate) which in this case is expressed as an OR.  Confidence intervals are used because a study recruits only a small sample of the overall population so by having an upper and lower confidence limit we can infer that  the true population effect lies between these two points. Most studies report the 95% confidence interval (95%CI).

If the confidence interval crosses 1 e.g. 95%CI 0.9-1.1 this implies there is no difference between arms of the study.

to get around this they employed meta-analysis to get around this, they still couldn’t get it done so they dropped the CI from 95% to 90% doubling the margin of error.

The tobacco companies sued and won. The science was pure junk. The EPA appealed, not on the merits of the so called science but on the fact that it was just a report not an action taken by the agency and therefore not reviewable by the courts. Yet this report is still touted as fact. The subsequent Surgeon Generals report used the same methodology.(which is not surprising since the above mentioned Jonathan Samet was the lead author.  How do we know this?  They admit it! From page 21 of the report.

Judge William
L. Osteen, Sr., in the North Carolina Federal District
Court criticized the approach EPA had used to select
studies for its meta-analysis and criticized the use of 90
percent rather than 95 percent confidence intervals for
the summary estimates (Flue-Cured Tobacco Cooperative
Stabilization Corp. v. United States Environmental Protection
Agency, 857 F. Supp. 1137 [M.D.N.C. 1993]). In
December 2002, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
threw out the lawsuit on the basis that tobacco companies
cannot sue the EPA over its secondhand smoke
report because the report was not a final agency action
and therefore not subject to court review (Flue-Cured
Tobacco Cooperative Stabilization Corp. v. The United
States Environmental Protection Agency, No. 98-2407
[4th Cir., December 11, 2002], cited in 17.7 TPLR 2.472
Recognizing that there is still an active discussion
around the use of meta-analysis to pool data
from observational studies (versus clinical trials),
the authors of this Surgeon General’s report used
this methodology to summarize the available data
when deemed appropriate and useful, even while
recognizing that the uncertainty around the metaanalytic
estimates may exceed the uncertainty indicated
by conventional statistical indices, because of
biases either within the observational studies or produced
by the manner of their selection.


What??? Epidemic???

I vape and I notice other vapers and I’ve only seen two adults using the juul and only seen one minor vaping and his dad bought it for him to get him off of cigarettes. Maybe in certain parts of the country where tobacco control is doing a bang up job of advertising these products but not where I live.

So there you have it. Regulatory agencies can lie through their teeth and industry can do nothing but bend over and take it. Not to mention that these same regulators forbid and I MEAN FORBID you from saying that electronic cigarettes are 95+% safer then cigarettes and have helped millions to quit?

But why would they do this?

Because many are willing to give up some of their rights in the name of children and more so if it has no effect on them. It use to be products like people were innocent until proven guilty, not anymore. Now your guilty by association. EVEN IF THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION! Everyone knows that the tobacco companies lied, that is a proven fact. So tobacco control and especially Stanton Glantz engages in these ad homenim attacks to cast doubt on all who would oppose them. Don’t believe me? Using taxpayer money Stanton cooked up one of his studies declaring The TEA party of being a big tobacco front because of their limited government stance.

Climate change doubt is a key belief in the TEA Party, sparked by the Koch-related Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. Big Tobacco was heavily involved from the 1980s onward, and by 1992 the “Tea Party” was already in play. Extensive new research has unearthed the real history. 

“‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third-party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party” by Amanda Fallin, Rachel Grana and Stanton A Glantz, was published online last week in BMJ Tobacco Control, a high-impact peer-reviewed journal. They write:

“Rather than being a purely grassroots movement that spontaneously developed in 2009, the Tea Party has developed over time, in part through decades of work by the tobacco industry and other corporate interests.”

“Starting in the 1980s, tobacco companies worked to create the appearance of broad opposition to tobacco control policies by attempting to create a grassroots smokers’ rights movement. Simultaneously, they funded and worked through third-party groups, such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, the predecessor of AFP and FreedomWorks, to accomplish their economic and political agenda. There has been continuity of some key players, strategies and messages from these groups to Tea Party organisations. As of 2012, the Tea Party was beginning to spread internationally.”

Still don’t believe me? They expel people from the movement for refusing to engage in such tactics.

Rest of the Story Author Expelled from Smokefree Air List-Serve for Criticizing Unfounded and Inflammatory Smear Campaign Against Smoking Ban Opponent

The Rest of the Story

Of course I was thrown off off the list-serve. Any comments that are not supportive of the established anti-smoking cause and its aggressive agenda – which includes attacking individual citizens with no affiliation with Big Tobacco – are automatically viewed as non-constructive and non-productive and therefore, the dissenter must be immediately silenced. There is truly no room for dissent in the tobacco control movement. Dissent is met swiftly and firmly with censorship. The movement will not allow dissenting views to be heard, lest advocates consider those views and decide to challenge the prevailing wisdom and tactics of the movement.

If you ask any honest smoker why they started and if honest will tell you that it was the rebellion anti establishment factor, we all coughed up our left lung and it tasted like shit regardless of flavor. But we pushed through because we wanted that rebel image. How many of you baby boomers fired up a fat boy laughing at PSA’s like this?

This is true of any generation. It is no surprise that in our grand or great grand parents generation alcohol consumption went up as a result of prohibition, in my generation drug use went up as a result. To you nanny statist, look in the mirror. You are the problem.

In closing I leave you with these words from the Declaration of Independence.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And ask yourself, in a so called free society is it the role of government to tell consenting adults what products they can have?



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Vaping “The Case Against Regulation”

The anti Vapor’s will talk about exploding ecigarettes, when this started to happen the ecig industry quickly responded by creating regulated mods that had reverse battery protection and short circuit protection.

The problem is that we are dealing with high current batteries.  We have seen the same problem with cell phones and other devices that use the same technology. If you short circuit a AAA or other such battery you may get slight leaking and venting but that’s about it.  But with those batteries your are measuring the maximum drain in the milliamps to a few amps. The batteries used in ecigarettes are capable of 10s of amps. Some capable of 30+ amps. If you short circuit any battery capable of such current you will have a violent reaction. Same holds true if you short circuit your car battery. This is why the vast majority of the accidents occur with loose batteries carried in a persons pocket shorting out with keys or loose change.


Here’s a typical 18650 used for an ecigarette vs a car battery.



Car Battery.

As you can see there is an inherent risk with all high powered batteries.


Hidden Formaldehyde in E-Cigarette Aerosols

What they didn’t tell you is that they cranked up the voltage to the point of dry hits which to any of us vape the flavor when you hit that point is intolerable.

“The main finding was that at low voltage, no formaldehyde was detected, but at high voltage, high levels of formaldehyde were detected. Using these levels, the authors extrapolate to derive an overall lifetime cancer risk from vaping, which they claim is higher than that from cigarette smoking.

The Rest of the Story

There’s just one problem with the study, but this problem renders its conclusion invalid.

The conditions used to study the e-cigarette aerosol at the high voltage setting were unrealistic and under such conditions, a vaper would never be able to use the product. This is because the wattage being used was so high that the vaporizer was overheated (for a conventional e-cigarette it would likely damage or burn the coils), creating a horrible taste which a vaper could not tolerate. This is sometimes referred to as the “dry puff phenomenon.”

But how did the industry respond? Within a very short time the manufactures came out with temperature controlled devices further reducing the risk.

The Headline

“eCigarettes are a gateway to smoking” and flavored ejuice is marketed to kids.

Well the first part has been debunked more times then I care to count. Is there an uptick in teen use?  YES. If any of us remember when we started smoking as teens. Those are the rebellious years. Smoking was the forbidden fruit, the more propaganda that was put out against tobacco the more attractive it was. So gives the rebellious nature of children at this age, would they be more likely to try cigarettes? PROBABLY. In the absence of ecigarettes would they be more likely to go straight to cigarettes? Again probably. They are also prone to other risky behavior including reckless driving, drug use and risky sexual behavior, but is anyone making the claim that vaping leads to sex?  And as former Tobacco Control member Michael Siegel says,

” In fact, the truth appears to be the exact opposite of what these groups are telling the public. Electronic cigarettes are not creating a whole new generation of smokers. Instead, they appear to be diverting smokers and potential smokers away from tobacco cigarettes and toward the fake ones, which are orders of magnitude safer. And by equating the health hazards of smoking with those of vaping, these groups are the ones who are actually guilty of undermining 50 years of public health efforts in smoking reduction. . . Joe Nocera, in his New York Times column, astutely points out this strange behavior for an agency that is supposed to be focused on preventing disease and death. He writes:

“equating smoking cigarettes with inhaling e-cigarettes, as the C.D.C. is doing in its messaging around teen tobacco use, is a huge disservice to public health. On the scale of potential harms, e-cigarettes aren’t even in the same ballpark as combustible cigarettes. They have the potential to save millions of lives if smokers could be convinced to switch—which is what the C.D.C. ought to be stressing. Jack Henningfield, a tobacco expert at Pinney Associates, told me that while youths should be discouraged from using nicotine, “putting electronic products in the same basket as cigarettes is not truthful, credible or helpful.” Invariably, teens do things they shouldn’t; that’s part of growing up. For decades, smoking cigarettes has been one of those things. The fact that they are doing less of it than ever before is not a cause for dismay. It is a cause for celebration.”.”

On the flavoring, that ones a little harder, yes flavoring might appeal to kids, but then most of us wouldn’t have continued vaping if it were not for the flavors, as hard as I tried I never found a tobacco flavor that could replace my good old Camel straight.  It’s just not out there.  It was not until I gave up that quest and experimented with other flavors that I was satisfied.  But on the marketing front, when you ever saw or heard an ejuice ad? You have to already be a vapor and look for it online or find a vape shop. Which is probably why most youth use the Juul, not because of the flavoring but because you can get those at convenience stores, gas stations etc etc. Not vape shops who don’t allow children in. So to say these ejuice manufacturers are marketing to kids is a lie, I challenge the likes of Stanton Glantz to produce this marketing.

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While the anti smokers/anti vapors are allowed to continuously put out false reports as a result of a poorly done report done by Stanton Glantz and his cronies when they were suppose to be studying the effects of radon. The report was so poorly done using questionable methodology that the tobacco companies won in court? No, instead of defending their Bullshit report they argued that as a government report it was not review able by the courts. So the government can lie through reports while at the same time forbid the vaping industry from openly talking about harm reduction.

So I have shown the industries rapid response to questionable claims by the anti vaping community. Exploding batteries brought us regulated Mods. Over voltage brought us temp control. And even the juice manufactures were quick to respond, when the anti vapors went on a campaign talking about diacetyl and “Popcorn Lung” even the report was complete BS most manufactures were quick to remove it from their flavors. Ignoring the fact that  diacetyl was suspected but not proven to cause the lung ailments in that popcorn factory and the fact that they were inhaling high doses in powdered form. They ignore the fact that the  diacetyl in traditional cigarettes is 750 times higher, again from Dr Michael Siegel.

Fujioka and Shibamoto conducted a study to measure the diacetyl exposure from active smoking. They found that the average diacetyl content of the cigarettes tested was 335.9 micrograms per cigarette. Assuming that a smoker consumes one pack per day (20 cigarettes), the average daily inhaled does of diacetyl associated with smoking is therefore 6718 micrograms.

Table 1. Average inhaled daily diacetyl dose associated with smoking vs. vaping
Vaping: 9 micrograms
Smoking: 6718 micrograms

Daily exposure to diacetyl from smoking is therefore 750 times higher, on average, than exposure to diacetyl from vaping.

Even if one looks at the maximum detected level of diacetyl in the electronic cigarettes vs. real cigarettes tested, the exposure of a smoker is much higher than that of a vaper.

Table 2. Maximum inhaled daily diacetyl dose associated with smoking vs. vaping
Vaping: 239 micrograms
Smoking: 20340 micrograms (see Pierce et al., 2014)

Thus, the “worst” e-cigarette tested produces diacetyl exposure that is 85 times lower than that of the “worst” cigarette tested.

There is a second important fact that was omitted from the journal article (and from the ensuing media coverage).

That fact: Despite the much higher levels of diacetyl in tobacco smoke than in e-cigarette vapor, smoking has not been associatedwith “popcorn lung.”

Thus, it is clearly misrepresenting the scientific evidence to conclude that vaping increases the risk of “popcorn lung” or that vaping causes “popcorn lung.”

None of these rapid advancements would have been possible had the industry had to spend millions of dollars jumping through the FDA process. Even the simple removal of diacetyl from ejuice would have required the industry to spend millions of unnecessary dollars and to what end.  It use to be that a person or product was innocent until proven guilty. But if you can paint with the broad brush of “Big Tobacco” the opposite seems to be true.



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Vaping Styles Experiment and Flashback

Yesterday morning I was watching a review by Phil Busardo at Taste Your Juice.  Reading through the comments, one comment asked “Phil. are you finding the hit to strong with 12 mg on those .3 ohm coils?” Of course the device was an unregulated restricted lung device so I responded no that that’s how I vape with 18mg juice.  It got me to thinking on how I went from smoking analogs MTL (mouth to lung) to DL (direct lung).  I am not a pot smoker so DL was completely foreign to me. All of the earlier devices I tried (cigalikes,evod etc etc etc) I strictly vaped MTL, it was not until I got my first regulated box mod (Kanger 50w subtank mini kit) that I started doing DL hits.  So I decided to dig it out of mothballs and try it again.  For this experiment I bummed a cigarette from a friend smoking it MTL as one normally would then I would take the same MTL puff on my old Kanger.  Then it all started coming back to me. The kanger put out a tiny wisp of vapor, not even on par with a cigalike.  I had the subtank set up MTL so I took several drags in succession letting up on the button in between, the vapor was a little better but not by much.  Then while still set up MTL  I took a DL hit like I would now.  The throat hit was massive and I started coughing.  Oh yea now I remember.  The first DL hit I took on this device was with a 27mg tobacco juice that was 100% PG, VG wasn’t out yet. So as you old vapers can imagine I coughed a lung up.  I coughed so hard tears came to my eyes.  I soon learned that by opening up the air and reducing the nicotine content I could bring the throat hit down to a tolerable level.  Of course with the introduction of VG I had even more control.

Why did I have this experience?  Well the early regulated box mods had an extremely long delay, if I remember right it was close to a half of a second, added to that the sub ohm tanks had beefier coils then the cigalikes and egos which required a longer ramp up to temperature.  So while still in MTL configuration I held the button down until I heard the old familiar sizzle and then took a mouth to MTL, ah that’s it much better. So I took the old subtank off the Kbox and put it on my Thinkvape Finder and tried just doing a MTL.  It was much better then the Kbox but it wasn’t quite there. Even though there was practically no delay there still was a slight ramp up so I found that if I took a few primer puffs and then a MTL, bingo that did it.  So for the last day I have been swapping back and forth between restricted DL and MTL.  I found that on fruity flavors I could not taste any differences.  But on what I like to call darker flavors like my all day vape,  Private Stock by Innevape (Hazelnut, butterscotch and Caramel) some of the flavors where slightly muted.

With this new knowledge am I going to go back to MTL?  Probably not, I have to make a conscious effort to take the primer puffs and the difference isn’t drastic enough to put in that effort.  But it’s things that you forget during the journey that just might help the newbees out so I thought I’d share the experience.  While the MTL experience is closer to smoking the old analogs, it is not a one to one experience.  In order to get a good MTL you have to either hold the button down for the preheat or take primer puffs like smoking a pipe.  I just watched Phil and Mike do reviews on exactly the same tank and they both take primer puffs.  Something I never thought of in my early days of sub ohming.





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Vaping and the get off my lawn syndrome

Those who know me know I fought long and hard against the smoking ban and am now involved in the fight to protect vapers rights. When I want to check out new hardware one of my primary go to sources is Phil Busardo at Taste your Juice with complete breakdowns and actual measurements (satisfies the geek/engineer in me). Vaping has fractured into two groups, ex-smokers (who used e-cigarettes as a tool to quit) and the cloud chasers who look like steam engines on steroids.  Many in the first group look down their noses at the second group.  I am not going to link to the comment as this is not an attack on the man but an attempt to show those in the first group the wrong headedness of those thoughts.

Also it’s not all the high wattage and subtank systems that are driving smokers away. Our government has done a great job of scaring smokers away from vaping. And number 2, the ridiculous face we have put on vaping has done nearly as much damage to the industry as government has. End of story. . . . . Marshall Keith You just agreed with what I said, at least the first part anyway. Also if you don’t think a bunch of young kids running around covered head to toe with bad tattoo’s, massive clouds of vapor pouring out of them is not massively damaging to the industry then your wrong

Do I think some of today’s kids look ridiculous with all their piercings and massive tattoos? Absolutely, much as the generation before mine thought the same about my generation (Bell bottoms flowered shirts etc etc etc) or the greasers and their “thug look” in the generation before mine.  I could not find a video of the type of kids he refers to but in my time working in a vape shop I’ve met some of them and they are good kids, but here is a video of some of the youth and their vape style.

Do I encourage kids to do this?  Hell no.  But I am a realist.  Government regulations encourage this.  Just like drinking among youth during prohibition and drug and tobacco use went up in mine, kids rebel against the establishment and it’s rules.  The harder government attacks vaping, the more attractive it will be to today’s youth.  What I see above is kids having fun, does vaping pose some risk? Probably, but far less then tobacco,alcohol or even drugs.


So are these kids the face of vaping or are the face that those who would use government force in yet another attempt at social engineering, for me, I See it as an indication as to how diverse the vaping community is. If you allow them to splinter us into warring factions, they win.  It is time to fight for freedom to be the default position, not the exception.


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Vapers Beware, They Are Coming For You!

How do I know this?  I’ve lived through it before.  I was an active member of Ban the Ban Wisconsin and we managed to fight off the ban for years. until the governor slipped a far worse ban into the budget, does anyone remember the RYO machines?  They banned those by slipping one paragraph in on the transportation bill.  I’m not arguing that cigarettes are safe, they are not.  According to recent studies, e cigarettes are 95% safer.  But we’re not talking about smoking.  We’re talking about second hand smoke and now secondhand vapors.  Remember the first rule of toxicology is “dose makes the poison” They held up children up like human shields.  I am now an avid vaper with an occasional cigar here and there.  They had to cheat and lie to get the bans passed.  If you look at the actual studies instead of the reports you will find most had 1 in the CI which means no statistical risk.  But what about the reports?  The cheated and used meta-analysis from page 21 of the Surgeon Generals report.

Judge William
L. Osteen, Sr., in the North Carolina Federal District
Court criticized the approach EPA had used to select
studies for its meta-analysis and criticized the use of 90
percent rather than 95 percent confidence intervals for
the summary estimates (Flue-Cured Tobacco Cooperative
Stabilization Corp. v. United States Environmental Protection
Agency, 857 F. Supp. 1137 [M.D.N.C. 1993]). In
December 2002, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
threw out the lawsuit on the basis that tobacco companies
cannot sue the EPA over its secondhand smoke
report because the report was not a final agency action
and therefore not subject to court review (Flue-Cured
Tobacco Cooperative Stabilization Corp. v. The United
States Environmental Protection Agency, No. 98-2407
[4th Cir., December 11, 2002], cited in 17.7 TPLR 2.472
Recognizing that there is still an active discussion
around the use of meta-analysis to pool data
from observational studies (versus clinical trials),
the authors of this Surgeon General’s report used
this methodology to summarize the available data
when deemed appropriate and useful, even while
recognizing that the uncertainty around the metaanalytic
estimates may exceed the uncertainty indicated
by conventional statistical indices, because of
biases either within the observational studies or produced
by the manner of their selection.

But what about the children? Only one study commissioned by WHO (World Health Organization) and the only thing statistically significant was it may have a protective effect on children.  

They now want to put second hand vapor in the same classification as what many of you call stinkies,  They are calling on youth to be indoctrinated on the hazards of SHS and SHA (vaping) Don’t believe me? Follow this link.

If Grim Green’s video blog is correct the indoctrination is correct the opening salvo has been fired.

Next you can expect taxes both on the devices and the juices with part of the tax money going to fund the lobby groups against us. So unlike smokers who had anti-smoking groups against them, we will have them plus big tobacco against us.  Hat tip to Audrey Silk for turning me on to the JAMA page.   So instead of looking down your noses at smokers, we should join forces and fight for freedom for all.

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Breathing New Life Into Windows XP and Vista Computers

Normally my blogs are about (l)ibertarian political issues. I have been asked by many friends and acquaintances about their aging computers, some are too far away to do it myself.  So here goes.my-screen

On top of being a broadcast engineer I am also a computer tech. I’ve worked with everything from the Commodore Pet, Atari 800 through most of the apple incarnations and most of the PC varients. As a matter of fact my first broadcast digital automation was the now defunct AuDisk, which ran on a 16 bit PC (pre 286/386 days) The entire program and a weeks worth of logs ran on a single density floppy disk and 9 hours worth of audio was stored on a ¼ gig SCSSI disk. The hard drive was carved into individual carts so no defrag was ever needed.

Now that Microsoft has abandoned Windows XP and Vista so have the likes of Google Chrome and more and more customers are having problems even on facebook especially games because of it. While I have always been a fan of Linux it was not user friendly enough for most of my customers, (especially the older ones) While I like the KDE variants such as Kubuntu and Suse as it has a polished windows feel to it. It tends to be a resource hog and tends to be too complicated for most of my customers. My first experience with Macbuntu was when a friend and fellow engineers Mac’s (power PC) motherboard died. He had me attempt to recover his data. I dual booted his wife’s PC with one of my versions of linux in order to mount the drive, He’s never been a fan of PCs or windows and wanted the look and feel of a Mac. Using various themes and modifications I came close. Then in my research I fell upon the MacBuntu theme written by the very people that produce Ubuntu. It is very lightweight (not a resource hog) and simple.

This blog post is being written on MacBook Pro 1,1 with a dual core 32 bit processor and 2 gig of memory. While I recommend the 64 bit version where possible as Chrome also abandoned   the 32 bit versions of linux and OSX but is still fully supported by firefox. I have installed it on dozens of customers computers and everyone of them are pleased with the simplicity and speed of their old computers. First you have to install the Ubuntu operating system (OS)  I normally have several on my thumb drive created with Yumi in windows or Multiboot from linux.  Yumi has the advantage of the option of downloading the software for you.  Here is a good video taking you through the install process.  If you prefer you can just download the ISO file and burn it to DVD.  Here is an excellent video on doing the OS install.

This post is about step by step instructions for installing the Noobslab MacBuntu theme MacBuntu 16.04 Transformation pack

First open a terminal window by holding down ctrl alt and hitting t.

copy and paste the following commands into the terminal one at a time.  Hitting enter after each paste.  Wait for each install to complete before entering the next one.
The first two add the repositories to the software list.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/macbuntu

Hit enter

The first time you enter a sudo you will be prompted for the administrator password for the install.  Software is added under Superuser hence the su.

Cut and paste

sudo apt-get update

Hit enter.

The following will install the theme, icons and cursors.

sudo apt-get install macbuntu-os-icons-lts-v7

Hit enter

sudo apt-get install macbuntu-os-ithemes-lts-v7

Hit Enter.

The following will install slingcold, this brings up a searchable list of all the software on the system.

sudo apt-get install slingscold

Hit Enter

The following will add Albert, a search tool similar to Siri on the Mac or Cortana on windows 10.

sudo apt-get install albert

Hit Enter

The following will install Plank, the taskbar at the bottom of the screen

sudo apt-get install plank

Hit enter

sudo apt-get install macbuntu-os-plank-theme-lts-v7

Hit Enter

The following will make cosmetic changes

cd && wget -O Mac.po http://drive.noobslab.com/data/Mac/change-name-on-panel/mac.po

Hit Enter

cd /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES; sudo msgfmt -o unity.mo ~/Mac.po;rm ~/Mac.po;cd

Hit Enter

wget -O launcher_bfb.png http://drive.noobslab.com/data/Mac/launcher-logo/apple/launcher_bfb.png

Hit Enter

sudo mv launcher_bfb.png /usr/share/unity/icons/

Hit Enter

sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool

Hit Enter

sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool

Optional you can add the Mac Fonts

wget -O mac-fonts.zip http://drive.noobslab.com/data/Mac/macfonts.zip

Hit Enter

sudo unzip mac-fonts.zip -d /usr/share/fonts; rm mac-fonts.zip

Hit Enter

sudo fc-cache -f -v

Hit Enter

This completes the installation, now it’s time to configure it.

Setting up Macbuntu

Copy and past into terminal

gnome-tweak-tool &

Press Enter

Change GTK+ Theme to MacBuntu-OS-X

Change Icons to MacBuntu-OS

Change Cursor to Mac-cursors


Click on Startup applications and then +

Add Plank and Albert


Close Tweak and copy and past Unity Tweak into the terminal window.

Unity-tweak-tool &

Press enter

Under Unity click on launcher and turn on Auto-Hide


Click on Overview at the top. Then under Windows Manager click on General

Make sure Animations is turned on.

Change Minimize to Magic Lamp and UnMinimize to Magic lamp.


Close Unity Tweak Tool

Copy and paste Plank into the terminal window

plank &

 hit enter

Hold the Crtl key and right click on Plank bar across bottom. Change theme to MB-OSXLion turn on Icon Zoom and adjust to taste.


Click on Behavior an turn on Hide Dock

Click on Docklets and add Trash and any others you like.

Close Plank Settings

Cut and paste the following into the Terminal.

nautilus /usr/share/applications &

Press enter.

Drag and Drop desired applications to plank. I highly recommend Files and Slingcold. Slingcold will bring up all applications and is searchable. For some of my older customers who are less tech savy I also dragged down the shutdown app so they shut the machine down properly.

Copy and past reboot into terminal and hit enter.

 Sudo reboot

Hit Enter

Your system will now reboot into your new MacBuntu.



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