We are Liberal Madison Wisconsin


We are Liberal. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.”

After all the smoking ban that they are trying to ram down our throats eliminates individual rights and property rights for the good of the collective.

No legislation is perfect. No compromise will satisfy everyone,” said Sen. Fred Risser, D-Madison, who wrote the Senate’s bill. The agreement will reach the ultimate goal of saving lives and saving taxpayer money.

A collectivist statement if I ever heard one. The problem is that he can not prove any part of that statement true. There has not been one proven death caused by second hand smoke. And every independent study shows that smokers cost the government less and not more.

“Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group — whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called ‘the common good’.” — Ayn Rand


Of course it is not just the socialist in the Kremlin aka Madison that hold these collectivist views.

“You know,” the New York senator said, “it is a word that originally meant that you were for freedom … that you were willing to stand against big power and on behalf of the individual. Unfortunately, in the last 30, 40 years, it has been turned up on its head, and it’s been made to seem as though it is a word that describes big government, totally contrary to what its meaning was in the 19th and early 20th century.”

“I prefer the word ‘progressive,’ ” Clinton continued, “which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century. I consider myself a modern progressive.”

Now, when the presumptive standard bearer of the Democratic Party and the political (and matrimonial) heir to the only Democratic president to be elected to two terms since Franklin Roosevelt says she’s not a liberal, it’s actually quite a big deal.

But first, do note how crafty Clinton is being. She makes it sound as though she’s lamenting the unfair transformation of the word “liberal” from lover of individual freedom to champion of big government.

How, exactly, does Clinton think liberal came to mean “big government?” Could it have had something to do with her attempt to nationalize one-seventh of the U.S. economy under her health care plan, or maybe with her book, It Takes a Village, which suggests that the government intrude itself into every nook and cranny of our lives?

“Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group (to “society,” to the tribe, the state, the nation) and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force — and statism has always been the poltical corollary of collectivism.” — Ayn Rand,

“Don’t forget that pure democracy is a form of collectivism — it readily sacrifices individual rights to majority wishes. Since it involves no constitutional bill of rights, or at least, no working and effective one, the majority-of-the-moment can and does vote away the rights of the minority-of-the-moment, even of a single individual. This has been called ‘mob rule,’ the ‘tyranny of the majority’ and many other pejorative names. It is one of the greatest threats to liberty, the reason why America’s founding fathers wrote so much so disparagingly of pure democracy.” — Bert Rand

Yes the founding fathers had much distaste for pure democracy’s that is why they founded a Constitutional Republic.

John Adams defined a constitutional republic as “a government of laws, and not of men. Constitutional republics are a deliberate attempt to diminish the perceived threat of majoritarianism, thereby protecting dissenting individuals and minority groups from the “tyranny of the majority” by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population.

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3 Responses to We are Liberal Madison Wisconsin

  1. Ryan says:

    I guess this is what they mean by “progressive,” huh? Interesting since there isn’t anything actually progressive about the way they are steering WI right now. I feel like we’re fighting against a vacuum trying to pull us back and prevent us from making any forward progress.

    Sadly the freaks in Madison don’t get it. They are either a) power hungry, or b) beholden to their own or special interests. Is this how we advance a state? Apparently they think so, but I would like to raise the bullshit flag here. Every year we lose more and more of our basic and fundamental rights. This isn’t progess. It’s insanity and it’s tyranny.

  2. Jesse says:

    These “independent studies” that you linked to was just a writers opinions from the York Daily Record. I don’t think that person counts as a legitimate independent study. Is is really incredible with all of the indisputable evidence available that you could maintain a position that second smoke doesn’t cause death and disease. Even the tobacco companies admit that it does. Besides, when talking about human life, how can the economic conversation even exist. God you selfish bastards drive me crazy.

  3. Marshall says:

    That was not an opinion piece, he listed the actual studies that proved that smokers cost less. Feel free to look them up. The Dutch study he mentioned actually showed that smokers and obese people cost less. I am a member of Ban the Ban Wisconsin and have written much on the subject. I have actually looked at every study and guess what, “all of the indisputable evidence” just isn’t there. It is nothing but very weak statistics that would not be admitted in a court of law. Where are all those winning lawsuits for exposure to second hand smoke? Why did ASH drop their lawsuit against OSHA?
    http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/science-and-the-law/

    By the way where are they hiding all those killed by second hand smoke? I heard rumors that they were in a cave with Hoffa. You think with those thousands of deaths they could produce one and prove it.

    The general scientific community does not accept the relitive risks in the range of second hand smoke as proof either, here is an award winning article in Science on the subject.
    all of the indisputable evidence
    http://www.nasw.org/awards/1996/96Taubesarticle.htm
    Here is a bulk of the research that I have done, have at it.
    http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/learning-the-science/

    But I seriously doubt that an ignorant putz that doesn’t know the difference between Laizzes faire and Fascism would have a clue. I suspect that you slept through science class as well as civics.

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